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Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

MarineTpartier said:
It may as well be man. Idk how big that street is, but if a group of angry black men start showing up on doorsteps in the suburbs looking for someone, you can guarantee it won't take long for someone to spill the beans so they don't get beatdown themselves.
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Appears they originally had a picture of the hose too - at least I assume that's what the picture was.

An earlier version of this post included a photograph that contained information that should not have been made public. The image has been removed.
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buck said:
Appears they originally had a picture of the hose too - at least I assume that's what the picture was.
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I assume you mean house instead of "hose". Yeah, I saw that as well. I don't get what these guys are thinking. What purpose did that serve?
 
MarineTpartier said:
I assume you mean house instead of "hose". Yeah, I saw that as well. I don't get what these guys are thinking. What purpose did that serve?
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Hah, yeah, I suppose I did.
 
Here is what sanity sounds like concerning race... from the 2000 Republican Presidential Primaries in South Carolina:
(emphasis added)

This is leadership. It is a stark contrast to the race baiting, race pimps that are welded to the Demokrat party, and who are responsible for the chaos in Ferguson. You reap what you sow, and Demokrats are now collecting their harvest. Of course, innocent people are paying the price for the sickness they've spread.

KING: Alan?

KEYES: I know everybody thinks that this doing some favor to a racial group, but if our police and enforcement people have the experience that a given crime is disproportionately being committed by folks from a given ethnic group, we are now going to pass a law that says you can't notice that?

I -- I...

KING: But they haven't done the crime yet.

KEYES: Excuse me, no, no. All I'm saying is we're going to pass a law and we're going to enforce a law that says that we can't notice the characteristics of individuals who commit crimes and develop profiles to help folks pursue the solving of crimes based on our experience.

Experience by the way is not prejudice. Prejudice is an opinion you form apart from experience, prior to experience. An opinion formed based on experience is not prejudice. It is judgment. And I think our law enforcement officers ought to be able to...

KING: You wouldn't mind being stopped by a car if there was a high prevalence of...

KEYES: You know the person I would blame for that? If there are black folks out there disproportionately committing certain kinds of crime, my parents raised me to know that I represent the race in every thing I do. And I wish that everybody would take that attitude and stop committing crimes and doing things that bring a bad reputation on to people.

KING: But if you were stopped...

KEYES: That's what I resent.

KING: ... if you were stopped you wouldn't be angry?

KEYES: I just told you who I would be angry at.
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and then Ben Carson yesterday:

"I actually believe that things were better before this president was elected. And I think that things have gotten worse because of his unusual emphasis [on race]" he stated.

Carson cited Obama's criticism of the police in the Henry Louis Gates incident and his remarks that his son would look like Trayvon Martin and accused the president and other progressives of trying to "manipulate, particularly minority communities to make them feel that they are victims." And that the president "absolutely" plays the race card,
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That manipulation has been happening for decades.
 
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Rainman05 said:
Also, blacks in america aren't the same as muslims in europe. Muslims in europe have never had and don't want to adopt european values and integrate. In fact, they want to force europeans to live by their ways, reducing europe from the prosperous place that it is, into what the ME is basically.

So basically, you're in favor of genocide? Let's wipe out all the races and replace it with one singular race.

I love you people. "progressives". It would take a truly progressive mind to desire genocide as a solution to racial problems.
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:roll:

Leave it to someone like you to refer to the world being made up one day of only multi-'racial' people as 'genocide'.

I guess it must really piss you off to see lots of couples of mixed 'race'.

Noted.

What a waste of my time you are.


Btw, as far as I am concerned, there is only one race now, the human race. Calling people a different 'race' just because they have more of less melanin in their skin is ridiculous.


Good day.
 
vesper said:
I haven't disagreed with that. In fact the video is in agreement with that. The article I posted earlier that you had a problem with pointing out that most of those who were arrested in Ferguson the first time it went up in flames, overwhelming majority did not call Ferguson their home!!!!!!! And last night was no different.

Ferguson: Burned buildings, 61 arrests, 'crime scene' on looted street - LA Times
And yes that is significant whether you agree or not. These folks that did most of the damage don't call Ferguson home.
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Around and around we go. :doh

Again.

This in no way addresses what you quoted.

All of which has already been addressed.

We know there were outside agitators as well as outside protestors.
Just as there was local agitators, protestors and looters.​
 
disneydude said:
It has nothing to do with race for me. It has to do with the constant refusal of grand jurors and juries to hold police accountable for their actions. They will bend over backwards to give a pass to a person because they carry a badge.
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I agree that police in general need better accountability and less militarization.


I don't believe this is one of those cases.


Dude charged the cop after robbing a store.
 
DA60 said:
:roll:

Leave it to someone like you to refer to the world being made up one day of only multi-'racial' people as 'genocide'.

I guess it must really piss you off to see lots of couples of mixed 'race'.

Noted.

What a waste of my time you are.


Btw, as far as I am concerned, there is only one race now, the human race. Calling people a different 'race' just because they have more of less melanin in their skin is ridiculous.


Good day.
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You should look at the UN definition of genocide.
..any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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I highlighted the part that makes what you desire as being genocide.

Thankfully, you're not in power nor will you, personally, ever be in power. Unfortunately, people like you are in some places in power, and this genocidal mentality is what is driving the world down the crapper in many-a-places.

Ofc, you will never admit to this. Because you think you are right. It's what "progressive" thinking is all about ,never being infallible. Doesn't matter how atrocious or heinous the crime you wish to instill in the entire world, it is correct and just because you're "progressive" and how can you ever think something bad if you're "progressive". So keep hiding behind empty scientifically-illiterate and biologically-challenged statements like "we're all one race now" or "we're all mongrels to some degree" or other nonsense that isn't supported by anything other than wishful thinking of the "progressive" kind.

You're not just a waste of my time, you're a waste in general. You took your brain and crapped all over it. Now it's filled will all manner of BS.
 
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The grand jury over the indictment was composed of 9 whites and 3 blacks. As far as Im concerned it was as fair and impartial as possible. The whole legal system is slanted towards cops so rather than violently protest people should look into changing police procedures and militarization as well as getting rid of sovereign immunity.
 
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Higgins86 said:
I am in Keene NH right now visiting my wife's family for thanksgiving. The "pumpkin fest" according to my in laws has become a bit of an out of control college party which was widely condemned and worth pointing out that a few hundred Keene state students turned up in the morning to help with the clean up.
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Welcome to NH.:mrgreen: You got here just in time for the snow!

Your in laws are correct. What the Keene State students did was bad, but there is zero correlation to what happened there and what is happening in Ferguson. And the university administration as well as the student population has taken ownership of what happened. Literally within a few days of the incident you could drive into downtown Keene and not even know anything had happened.
 
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PoS said:
The grand jury over the indictment was composed of 9 whites and 3 blacks. As far as Im concerned it was as fair and impartial as possible. The whole legal system is slanted towards cops so rather than violently protest people should look into changing police procedures and militarization as well as getting rid of sovereign immunity.
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Actually the unfair thing is that we even know the race of the jury. We should have 0 knowledge.
 
upsideguy said:
Just for clarity and precision, the GJ did NOT find that Wilson did not commit a crime. We do not know, nor will we likely ever know.

The question before the GJ was whether there was sufficient evidence of probable cause for an indictment and trial. Wilson's innocence, regardless of the GJ determination, would have been presumed. The GJ was only there to decide whether there should be a trial. They decided that the evidence (as presented... with due consideration that how it was presented is an issue) was insufficient to proceed.

Again, Wilson's innocence is presumed; but his actual innocence remains unknown.
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Oh no, no, no....That's not how it works in this country...If you want Kangaroo rubber stamps to give this guy the needle then move to N. Korea....McCoullough (sp) threw every piece of evidence at this GJ, and they took an incredible 70 days pouring through it to reach their decision to not indict...The problem you have is that you don't like their decision so you have to tear it down with foolish claims...Fact is that Wilson did nothing wrong, except maybe show up for work that morning....
 
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PoS said:
The grand jury over the indictment was composed of 9 whites and 3 blacks. As far as Im concerned it was as fair and impartial as possible. The whole legal system is slanted towards cops so rather than violently protest people should look into changing police procedures and militarization as well as getting rid of sovereign immunity.
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As the people become more violent, then you will see police become more militarized....It's just a given...If anything in Ferguson I think that the Police were too docile the first night....This community now has business (that did nothing wrong btw) that are burned to the ground, and the community later on will cry that they are underserved....I think they should have to live with the burned out buildings, and not have the businesses return...They did it to themselves...Now live in it.
 
upsideguy said:
Just for clarity and precision, the GJ did NOT find that Wilson did not commit a crime. We do not know, nor will we likely ever know.
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They decided that the evidence (as presented... with due consideration that how it was presented is an issue) was insufficient to proceed.

Again, Wilson's innocence is presumed; but his actual innocence remains unknown.
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Holy ****!

For all intent and purposes, the GJ not finding a reason to indict after having been presented with all the evidence is basically the same as saying he did not commit a crime, because the evidence doesn't exist to say a crime was committed.
 
Fenton said:
Huh ?

I would say based on Witnesses accounts AND physical evidence that his " actual " innocence IS known.
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Yes, YOU would say that.... but that is not a correct legal analysis...
 
upsideguy said:
Yes, YOU would say that.... but that is not a correct legal analysis...
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Actually, yes, it is. You are presumed innocent until a court of law finds guilt. In this case there has been no finding of guilt. So legally speaking he is innocent.
 
j-mac said:
Oh no, no, no....That's not how it works in this country...If you want Kangaroo rubber stamps to give this guy the needle then move to N. Korea....McCoullough (sp) threw every piece of evidence at this GJ, and they took an incredible 70 days pouring through it to reach their decision to not indict...The problem you have is that you don't like their decision so you have to tear it down with foolish claims...Fact is that Wilson did nothing wrong, except maybe show up for work that morning....
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You are reading an awful lot into my post. I never said I was for or against the outcome. I am merely dealing with esoteric -- their mission was to determine if they had sufficient evidence to pursue charges; they did not. The only real conclusion is that... people want to extend that conclusion to other things (which you seem to like to do, as you are concluding how I feel about this when I made no such declaration).
 
clownboy said:
Actually, yes, it is. You are presumed innocent until a court of law finds guilt. In this case there has been no finding of guilt. So legally speaking he is innocent.
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Excon said:
Holy ****!

For all intent and purposes, the GJ not finding a reason to indict after having been presented with all the evidence is basically the same as saying he did not commit a crime, because the evidence doesn't exist to say a crime was committed.
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For "all intent and purposes" is not the same as what the actual determination is. Though you chose to make this determination, as many others have, it is not technically correct.

The GJ job was only to determine if there was sufficient evidence presented to determine if there was probable cause that a crime was committed. Their job does not extend to determining actual innocence. They are only working with evidence that is available at this time, without the benefit of all evidence that might be gathered in the process of trial. Moreover, they are working only with the evidence as presented by a single party, with the benefit of argument.

Contrary to what you learned on Perry Mason, the actual innocence of a defendant is not relevant in the indictment process, nor is it relevant in trial. A trial either proves guilt or defaults to innocence, it never is designed to prove innocence. In this case, the GJ merely weighed whether sufficient evidence was presented to provide probable cause that a indictment should be made. They found that evidence, as presented, was not sufficient. Whether a crime was committed was unproven, hence by the logic of our legal system with its default (presumption) of innocence, only then can you infer a crime was not committed. That conclusion, however, is just that and does not mean that the crime did not exist; it only means there was not substantial basis to say that it did.

As a matter of illustration, for "all intent and purposes", the jury in the OJ Simpson decided he did not commit the murder of Nicole Brown. They never decided on his actual innocence, but we defaulted to presumed innocence. Now would you like to take the position that the jury heard all the OJ evidence and returned a verdict, therefore he did not do it?

But, Holy *****, I find this particularly curious that you are suddenly touting the verdict of the court as gospel given that you have repeatedly argued that Michael Dunn is innocent, even though a court of law, having considered all of the evidence, found him guilty. Somehow I see some selective logic being applied by you in this.
 
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Verax said:
Incase you want to watch this over the net here are some links to stream it live.

Ferguson Grand Jury Decision WATCH LIVESTREAM VIDEO | Mediaite

OR

USTREAM - Broadcast Live Streaming Video, Watch Online Events, Chat Live, send a Tweet, follow on Facebook, record your Live Shows

I was told by the hysterical lead up to this there will be looting, broken glass, white cops shooting black protesters and all sorts of raucous fun. Sadly though I think absolutely nothing will happen but... we'll see.

edit: If your feed stalls out simply refresh and restart the video if necessary.
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The solution to this problem is body cams on every Police Officer. That is the only thing that will tell the truth.
 
upsideguy said:
For "all intent and purposes" is not the same as what the actual determination is. Though you chose to make this determination, as many others have, it is not technically correct.

The GJ job was only to determine if there was sufficient evidence presented to determine if there was probable cause that a crime was committed. Their job does not extend to determining actual innocence. They are only working with evidence that is available at this time, without the benefit of all evidence that might be gathered in the process of trial. Moreover, they are working only with the evidence as presented by a single party, with the benefit of argument.

Contrary to what you learned on Perry Mason, the actual innocence of a defendant is not relevant in the indictment process, nor is it relevant in trial. A trial either proves guilt or defaults to innocence, it never is designed to prove innocence. In this case, the GJ merely weighed whether sufficient evidence was presented to provide probable cause that a indictment should be made. They found that evidence, as presented, was not sufficient. Whether a crime was committed was unproven, hence by the logic of our legal system with its default (presumption) of innocence, only then can you infer a crime was not committed. That conclusion, however, is just that and does not mean that the crime did not exist; it only means there was not substantial basis to say that it did.

As a matter of illustration, for "all intent and purposes", the jury in the OJ Simpson decided he did not commit the murder of Nicole Brown. They never decided on his actual innocence, but we defaulted to presumed innocence. Now would you like to take the position that the jury heard all the OJ evidence and returned a verdict, therefore he did not do it?

But, Holy *****, I find this particularly curious that you are suddenly touting the verdict of the court as gospel given that you have repeatedly argued that Michael Dunn is innocent, even though a court of law, having considered all of the evidence, found him guilty. Somehow I see some selective logic being applied by you in this.
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The grand jury found no evidence of a crime, so yes, Wilson is innocent.
 
Carleen said:
The solution to this problem is body cams on every Police Officer. That is the only thing that will tell the truth.
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That and patrolling in two man teams.
 
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