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Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

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That makes this so much worse. I feel so sad for the business owners. There are out of towners there destroying their property in the name of "justice"?

"Justice" has nothing to do with this case, in any sense of the word.
 
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I'd rather the national guard be sent in than see the militarization of local police.

National gaurdsmen are soldoers. Soldiers are trained to destroy the enemy. That's why policemen and soldiers are seperate fron each other. Plus, NG soldiers don't arrest authority. They're not there to arrest anyone. They're there to use force to suppress the insurection.
 
The only video that has been clear is the ones of the witnesses lying.
Officer Wilson's shooting was justified.

An absurd statement that you can not prove.

Matter of fact, everything you have said about this case is absurd.

Shewolf, shrubnose, disneydude seem to be serious Gruberites.

They fail to realize these folks had all manner of evidence, including forensics.
Of course, so did the numbskull jury at the OJ trial.
 
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Prior to the verdict their was reports that he had been in several discussions with the press, supposedly over who was going to get his story.


Ferguson cop Darren Wilson holds secret talks with TV hosts including Anderson Cooper and Matt Lauer - as grand jury reconvenes to consider charges

  • At least five national TV journalists have met in private with Wilson to discuss the possibility of carrying out a televised interview with him
  • The five named are NBC's Matt Lauer, ABC's George Stephanopoulos, CBS' Scott Pelley and CNN's Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon
  • Within hours of them being named on CNN's Reliable Sources, both Cooper and Lemon had tweeted to confirm the secret interviews had taken place
  • Cooper denied that there was any conspiracy and said it was standard practice to meet with a subject prior to them agreeing to speak on camera
  • A grand jury continues to deliberate over whether to charge Wilson for shooting Michael Brown in August

Ferguson's Darren Wilson holds talks with Anderson Cooper and Matt Lauer | Daily Mail Online

That makes perfect sense both from Wilson's point of view and the media's point of view. That doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon or prior to the federal and civil actions, if any, taking place. He would be foolish to make any public comments until all legal avenues have been pursued and exhausted.
 
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During the outbreak of violence in August, on one day alone, 93% of those arrested were not residents of Ferguson. They had come from all over.
93% of those arrested Monday were not from Ferguson | FOX2now.com

Last I heard they arrested 80 some last night. Wonder how many of them live in Ferguson.
:doh
Dishonest representation is dishonest.


FERGUSON, MO (KTVI) – The St. Louis County Police report that 52 people were arrested Monday in Ferguson. 93% of those arrested were not Ferguson residents. Of all those arrested, 27% were not residents of Missouri.

Many were arrested for “refusal to disperse.”

From Missouri:

Florissant, MO (7)
Ferguson, MO (4)
Jennings, MO (2)
Flordell Hills, MO (1)
Creve Coeur, MO (1)
Hazelwood, MO (1)
Bel-Ridge, MO (1)
City of St. Louis, MO (15)
Unincorporated St. Louis County (6)​

Outside of Missouri:

Washington DC (1)
Illinois (4)
Maryland (1)
California (1)
Virginia (1)
New York (4)
Alabama (1)
Texas (1)​



73% Were local, as in surrounding communities and have just as much interest in the issue.
So to be more specific, while the majority do not actually live in Ferguson, the majority are from the local communities and are not outside agitators.

Ferguson residents and local area residents having as much interest in the issue are practically the same for argument purposes.

So ...
And?
The make up of those arrested from one night means what?
That they had no place to run like those actually from Ferguson did and were caught?

I have been watching the live streamers since this has started, and like I already indicated, while there are outside agitators, the citizens are there just as well committing the same acts.


I would also say there is a difference between Protestors, Rioters and the agitators for both activities.
 
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:doh
Dishonest representation is dishonest.


FERGUSON, MO (KTVI) – The St. Louis County Police report that 52 people were arrested Monday in Ferguson. 93% of those arrested were not Ferguson residents. Of all those arrested, 27% were not residents of Missouri.

Many were arrested for “refusal to disperse.”

From Missouri:

Florissant, MO (7)
Ferguson, MO (4)
Jennings, MO (2)
Flordell Hills, MO (1)
Creve Coeur, MO (1)
Hazelwood, MO (1)
Bel-Ridge, MO (1)
City of St. Louis, MO (15)
Unincorporated St. Louis County (6)​

Outside of Missouri:

Washington DC (1)
Illinois (4)
Maryland (1)
California (1)
Virginia (1)
New York (4)
Alabama (1)
Texas (1)​



73% Were local, as in surrounding communities and have just as much interest in the issue.
So to be more specific, while the majority do not actually live in Ferguson, the majority are from the local communities and are not outside agitators.

Ferguson residents and local area residents having as much interest in the issue are practically the same for argument purposes.

So ...
And?
The make up of those arrested from one night means what?
That they had no place to run like those actually from Ferguson did and were caught?

I have been watching the live streamers since this has started, and like I already indicated, while there are outside agitators, the citizens are there just as well committing the same acts.


I would also say there is a difference between Protestors, Rioters and the agitators for both activities.

You make a very good point- the difference between protestors, rioters and agitators. For it only takes a couple of big mouth agitators to instigate and whip things up to produce the rioters and protestors. And we know for a fact over the last couple of months that place has had numerous visits of some very big mouths whooping up the crowd.
 
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:doh
Dishonest representation is dishonest.

FERGUSON, MO (KTVI) – The St. Louis County Police report that 52 people were arrested Monday in Ferguson. 93% of those arrested were not Ferguson residents. Of all those arrested, 27% were not residents of Missouri.

Many were arrested for “refusal to disperse.”

From Missouri:
Florissant, MO (7)
Ferguson, MO (4)
Jennings, MO (2)
Flordell Hills, MO (1)
Creve Coeur, MO (1)
Hazelwood, MO (1)
Bel-Ridge, MO (1)
City of St. Louis, MO (15)
Unincorporated St. Louis County (6)​

Outside of Missouri:
Washington DC (1)
Illinois (4)
Maryland (1)
California (1)
Virginia (1)
New York (4)
Alabama (1)
Texas (1)​



73% Were local, as in surrounding communities and have just as much interest in the issue.
So to be more specific, while the majority do not actually live in Ferguson, the majority are from the local communities and are not outside agitators.

Ferguson residents and local area residents having as much interest in the issue are practically the same for argument purposes.

So ...
And?
The make up of those arrested from one night means what?
That they had no place to run like those actually from Ferguson did and were caught?

I have been watching the live streamers since this has started, and like I already indicated, while there are outside agitators, the citizens are there just as well committing the same acts.


I would also say there is a difference between Protestors, Rioters and the agitators for both activities.

The fact is, every person from Missouri that was arrested (38) was within 8 miles of Ferguson and 6 miles due east of Ferguson is the Illinois state line, where 4 of those arrested were from. Meaning that 42 out of the 52 arreated were likely living in adjacent suburbs to Ferguson, so the entire headline saying that 93% arrested were not from Ferguson is very misleading.
 
And ugly hope that cops should be killed before acting on the left is still alive as well.

Nope. I have no problem with a cop using deadly force where it is warranted. Here it clearly was not. Like I said....hopefully one day the good cops out there (and I will say that they vastly outnumber the bad) will get wise to the fact that the code of silence makes it much more difficult to do their job. They should actively help weed out the bad apples, but all too often their sense of brotherhood does not allow them to do this. Hopefully that will change one day.
 
Nope. I have no problem with a cop using deadly force where it is warranted. Here it clearly was not. Like I said....hopefully one day the good cops out there (and I will say that they vastly outnumber the bad) will get wise to the fact that the code of silence makes it much more difficult to do their job. They should actively help weed out the bad apples, but all too often their sense of brotherhood does not allow them to do this. Hopefully that will change one day.

I fail to see how you, way over in LA, could have a factually based understanding of the sequence of events that took place on that August day, greater than the Grand Jury did with all the evidence presented to them, on which to base their decision.

Would you mind terribly to elaborate on that aspect? Because if you have a really good explanation as to why you know more about what happened than the Grand Jury, I'd really like to shake your hand, and make your acquaintance as the second coming of Christ.
 
Nope. I have no problem with a cop using deadly force where it is warranted. Here it clearly was not. Like I said....hopefully one day the good cops out there (and I will say that they vastly outnumber the bad) will get wise to the fact that the code of silence makes it much more difficult to do their job. They should actively help weed out the bad apples, but all too often their sense of brotherhood does not allow them to do this. Hopefully that will change one day.

"Clearly it was not"?

Were you on the Grand Jury? It would appear that you were. I'm interested...please point to the specific evidence that you saw/heard that makes you say that.
 
"Clearly it was not"?

Were you on the Grand Jury? It would appear that you were. I'm interested...please point to the specific evidence that you saw/heard that makes you say that.

It's all public now.

And clearly by evidence he was justified in this shooting.

There was no reason to even have the grand jury except for as an attempt to appease the mob. The mob will not be appeased.
 
"Clearly it was not"?

Were you on the Grand Jury? It would appear that you were. I'm interested...please point to the specific evidence that you saw/heard that makes you say that.

I read the published details from Wilson's testimony, and I have no problem with his actions.
 
Nope. I have no problem with a cop using deadly force where it is warranted. Here it clearly was not. Like I said....hopefully one day the good cops out there (and I will say that they vastly outnumber the bad) will get wise to the fact that the code of silence makes it much more difficult to do their job. They should actively help weed out the bad apples, but all too often their sense of brotherhood does not allow them to do this. Hopefully that will change one day.

Why was it clearly not needed?
 
You keep gnawing at a statement I never made. I said it's part of an ideology. That type of argument is attributed to right wing ideologies. Do you want to pretend you're not right wing, now?

Wait until I sign off and try to repair your wrongs, yeah got it. The simple fact is, misapplying a certain viewpoint to me was a dodge in the first place. Funny, I stepped up when I was wrong, you stepped back, ducked and weaved.
 
Wait until I sign off and try to repair your wrongs, yeah got it. The simple fact is, misapplying a certain viewpoint to me was a dodge in the first place. Funny, I stepped up when I was wrong, you stepped back, ducked and weaved.

Lmao - I literally posted my response when you were still online. I can even prove it. You're not right wing now? That's not an argument made by the right wing ideology? ;) You need to stop this before you look even worse.
 
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You make a very good point- the difference between protestors, rioters and agitators. For it only takes a couple of big mouth agitators to instigate and whip things up to produce the rioters and protestors. And we know for a fact over the last couple of months that place has had numerous visits of some very big mouths whooping up the crowd.



Finally this thread appears to be touching on the root of the problem. In the hopes this will NOT offend, but from where I sit America IS obsessed with race, anytime there is a black-non black confrontation, the headlines are soon filled with it.

The details of this have been hashed, re-hashed and hashhished to death, nothing changes and nothing will change by arguing them further.

This is far greater a problem than the single incident of a white cop shooting a black kid. This strikes at the soft underbelly of the growing distrust in the nation's institutions, from the civil service, to the police, to firefighters [who were attacked trying to fight the fires] to the courts and ultimately to the presidency. The trust isn't just gone, it's rotting in grave.

Why is this "no surprise"? Weeks and weeks have been spent with civic leaders, clergy, and the president himself have spoken to the community to "remain calm" in their legal protests, and in minutes all that evaporated. The situation was as raw as the day it happened, ripe for manipulation. How in the name of God could no one see this coming? No one in DP has even expressed surprise.

That instigators and activists have exploited the tension is no surprise either, at least it shouldn't be, but there again we see the enormity of the issue, and the complete disconnect of the community, the police, and the president.

The sad news is I don't see Ferguson as the last one of these either. Noting is being resolved here.
 
Lmao - I literally posted my response when you were still online. I can even prove it. You're not right wing now? That's not an argument made by the right wing ideology? ;) You need to stop this before you look even worse.

More dodging. And no, you characterized me as having specific views on guns that I don't hold and for proof you posted some of SMTA's posts, that's what drew him into the discussion. Even that was a dodge from the smack down your little hate filled anti-cop rant received.

No, you need me to stop so folks will forget what you've posted and how wrong you were.
 
More dodging. And no, you characterized me as having specific views on guns

Did I? Show us the post. I'll wait. However, here, I've got a prophecy for you: I said an ideology held that specific view. That ideology being the right wing.

Did you give up on trying to tell people I responded after you left? Or did you see the time of the response and decided to drop that too?
 
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Finally this thread appears to be touching on the root of the problem. In the hopes this will NOT offend, but from where I sit America IS obsessed with race, anytime there is a black-non black confrontation, the headlines are soon filled with it.

The details of this have been hashed, re-hashed and hashhished to death, nothing changes and nothing will change by arguing them further.

This is far greater a problem than the single incident of a white cop shooting a black kid. This strikes at the soft underbelly of the growing distrust in the nation's institutions, from the civil service, to the police, to firefighters [who were attacked trying to fight the fires] to the courts and ultimately to the presidency. The trust isn't just gone, it's rotting in grave.

Why is this "no surprise"? Weeks and weeks have been spent with civic leaders, clergy, and the president himself have spoken to the community to "remain calm" in their legal protests, and in minutes all that evaporated. The situation was as raw as the day it happened, ripe for manipulation. How in the name of God could no one see this coming? No one in DP has even expressed surprise.

That instigators and activists have exploited the tension is no surprise either, at least it shouldn't be, but there again we see the enormity of the issue, and the complete disconnect of the community, the police, and the president.

The sad news is I don't see Ferguson as the last one of these either. Noting is being resolved here.

you're right and part of the problem is our political system itself. The divide and conquer of our political campaigns that turns blocks of voters against each other. Blacks against whites, Hispanics against whites, rich against the poor, even at time blacks and hispanics against Asians. Religious against the non-religious and on and on. Divide and conquer, make on group hate the other in search of votes. The problem is this has been going on for a long time and the longer it goes on the more hate for each other exists.

Here in Georgia one of our senate candidates sent out a mailer to just black folks basically stating if they didn't get out and vote for her, there would be a bunch of Ferguson's taking place in Georgia. Divide and conquer in search for votes. It's a wonder there haven't been a ton of Ferguson's.
 
Simpleχity;1064019537 said:
The prosecutor has no control over the composition of the grand jury. The Ferguson MO grand jury of twelve was composed of 7 men and 5 women of various socioeconomic background. All are from the St. Louis area. 9 are white and 3 are black. 9 grand jury votes constitutes agreement for case disposition. It would be interesting to know the total vote to dismiss and how jurors voted by gender and race.
If I recall correctly, in the announcement someone asked that question and the response was basically that giving that info out is illegal under MO law.
 
Finally this thread appears to be touching on the root of the problem. In the hopes this will NOT offend, but from where I sit America IS obsessed with race, anytime there is a black-non black confrontation, the headlines are soon filled with it.

The details of this have been hashed, re-hashed and hashhished to death, nothing changes and nothing will change by arguing them further.

This is far greater a problem than the single incident of a white cop shooting a black kid. This strikes at the soft underbelly of the growing distrust in the nation's institutions, from the civil service, to the police, to firefighters [who were attacked trying to fight the fires] to the courts and ultimately to the presidency. The trust isn't just gone, it's rotting in grave.

Why is this "no surprise"? Weeks and weeks have been spent with civic leaders, clergy, and the president himself have spoken to the community to "remain calm" in their legal protests, and in minutes all that evaporated. The situation was as raw as the day it happened, ripe for manipulation. How in the name of God could no one see this coming? No one in DP has even expressed surprise.

That instigators and activists have exploited the tension is no surprise either, at least it shouldn't be, but there again we see the enormity of the issue, and the complete disconnect of the community, the police, and the president.

The sad news is I don't see Ferguson as the last one of these either. Noting is being resolved here.
Hey F&L hope you are having a good day.
I don't see Ferguson being the end of these types of occurances because I believe they are created purposely by design. I went back and read President Johnson's speech in response to the Watts riots.
Here's a quote
"A rioter with a Molotov cocktail in his hands is not fighting for civil rights any more than a Klansman with a sheet on his back and a mask on his face. They are both more or less what the law declares them: lawbreakers, destroyers of constitutional rights and liberties, and ultimately destroyers of a free America. They must be exposed and they must be dealt with".
Now compare that to Obama's response last night.
"We need to accept that this decision was the grand jury's to make," Obama said Monday night. "There are Americans who agree with it, and there are Americans who are deeply upset, even angry. It's an understandable reaction. But I join Michael's parents in asking anyone who protests this decision to do so peacefully."
WTH?
Great commentary at American Thinker breaking down Obama's words and more to the point what he could have said.
Blog: What Obama said about the grand jury (and what he could have said)
 
If I recall correctly, in the announcement someone asked that question and the response was basically that giving that info out is illegal under MO law.

McCulloch said that during his speech/presser, that it was secret and not only could he not share the vote, he didn't even know it himself.

But that didn't stop at least 3 (maybe 4) of the nitwits in the audience from asking him if he could share the breakdown of the vote.
 
Did I? Show us the post. I'll wait. However, here, I've got a prophecy for you: I said an ideology held that specific view. That ideology being the right wing.

Did you give up on trying to tell people I responded after you left? Or did you see the time of the response and decided to drop that too?

There's no need to continue on with the dodging. Everyone saw what you did and how wrong you were. Now you're just continuing to embarrass yourself. I'm fine allowing you to do that. But you've distracted from the thread topic enough, got anything more to say to me, make sure it's on topic. Everyone here has your number.
 
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