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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    This kind of statement makes you no better than the man trying to get people to burn the town down.
    Than you've no sense of moral equivalence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh knock off the "code of silence" crap...It has NOTHING to do with this case.
    Absolutely it does. Whenever a cop is charged, rightly or wrongly, cops always rally around them. When was the last time other than in the movie "training day" did you hear about a cop turning a bad cop in? It rarely if ever happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely it does. Whenever a cop is charged, rightly or wrongly, cops always rally around them. When was the last time other than in the movie "training day" did you hear about a cop turning a bad cop in? It rarely if ever happens.
    What does that have to do with this case...Be specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What does that have to do with this case...Be specific.
    It only has to do with the case that cops like Wilson make it harder on the good cops out there who honestly and selflessly do a public service. That is the only context that I have brought this up.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's largely my view, but I abstain from making judgments on the particulars of the case itself. I am in no way able to make that kind of a judgment. I am however, quite able to say that public disorder is bad and unjustified. Revolutionaries always attempt to spread their delusional justifications.
    Well, we wouldn't be Americans if we didn't offer our unsolicited opinions, right?

    I agree, the name of the game is to garner support, no need to let facts get in the way of that...
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    National gaurdsmen are soldoers. Soldiers are trained to destroy the enemy. That's why policemen and soldiers are seperate fron each other. Plus, NG soldiers don't arrest authority. They're not there to arrest anyone. They're there to use force to suppress the insurection.
    Precisely. There is a clear separation of duties which has become a very grey area in recent years. Local police should not be riding around in heavily armored tactical vehicles armed with sound cannons and snipers hiding behind sandbags on the roof, wearing army surplus combat uniforms and body armor, and carrying around military grade weaponry. Its a few hoodlums looting weaves, committing arson, throwing rocks, and groups of people milling around in the street not the Taliban. If they can't handle the problem then they should call in the national guard instead of playing soldier.
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But Excon there have been outside groups known as professional agitators moving into Ferguson for weeks into the St. Louis area and law enforcement knows who they are. There have been folks covering this in the news for weeks.

    But nothing incited the crowds more than Michael Brown's mother and his stepfather last night and it got caught on tape. The woman in the white beanie and sunglasses is Brown's mother. The one in the green and white beanie and green and white shirt with the silk screen print of M Brown is his stepfather. His last name is Head. He has a rap sheet of multiple felons. Watch the video of him standing on the platform inciting the crowd to "Burn this Bitch Down". And so they did



    That's probably not a video Al Sharpton would share with his audience on MSNBC.

    How ironic.
    This in no way addresses what you quoted.

    All of which has already been addressed.

    We know there were outside agitators as well as outside protestors.
    Just as there was local agitators, protestors and looters.
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    From the article:

    Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson — again, a uniformed police officer in a police car — "**** what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window.
    You think this is the first time anyone, black or not, has told a police officer in uniform in a police car - "**** what you have to say"?

    From Wilsons statement:
    I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.
    From the article:
    So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.

    From the article:
    None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression.
    I don't know anything about Michael Brown prior to this incident and neither does the narrator. What he does have is what has been talked about after Michael Brown was shot. How many times do you hear bad things about people after they are dead? Never speak ill of the dead and whatnot. He may not have been a hardened felon, but he was a thief. And he was engaged in a criminal action not long before being aggressive to Wilson. It isn't a leap for me to go from robbery to assault on a police officer.
    This sounds more like a man making a statement after he had time to recall everything that happened. His first account to his supervisor was much more succinct because of his state of shock. Nothing unbelievable here.



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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    you're right and part of the problem is our political system itself. The divide and conquer of our political campaigns that turns blocks of voters against each other. Blacks against whites, Hispanics against whites, rich against the poor, even at time blacks and hispanics against Asians. Religious against the non-religious and on and on. Divide and conquer, make on group hate the other in search of votes. The problem is this has been going on for a long time and the longer it goes on the more hate for each other exists.

    Here in Georgia one of our senate candidates sent out a mailer to just black folks basically stating if they didn't get out and vote for her, there would be a bunch of Ferguson's taking place in Georgia. Divide and conquer in search for votes.
    It's a wonder there haven't been a ton of Ferguson's.


    The only thing I can disagree with in that is "part" of the problem. It IS the problem; this is the unwanted child of divisive politics, decades of using race as leverage; the protests of "racist!" at every early criticism is more than an annoying toss back, but repeated again and again in the background dialogue, people on both sides begin to believe it.

    When trouble comes, people instinctively look to their leaders, few presidents lose elections in war time, George W. Bush score better numbers than Reagan in the post 911 days with words.

    But the leadership, both parties, have been creating division. Where other jurisdictions have "wedge issues" like oil pipelines, the politique nationale has become a war zone of created chasms. And the current adminstration, void of vision, ability and common sense has perfected the weapon into a battering ram, no issue can escape the void.

    What alarmed me then was when Obama weighed into the Trayvor Martin thing, becoming the first president in history to smash the protocol of presidents not commenting on the outcomes of trials. But he went even further, commenting on the finding of a jury of his peers. So the president has little or no faith in the system, there cannot not be a relationship to the people of Ferguson who also don't have any faith in the finding of a jury.

    As with the outcome of the mid terms, this is an extension of the distrust of the voter, fed up with the bull**** instead of real solutions, a mob expressing its anger at everything, the killing of a black kid by a white cop being to the Watts riots what was Rodney King, a flash point igniting decades of dry tinder.

    In my world, the "only to blacks" thing alone would have disqualified her from office...but really, she is doing what works. The divide has been there and getting wider, she is simply one more trying to exploit it. Me? I would camp out in front of here office demanding to know why white people are so undervalued to her and what that means in terms of representing me with two colored kids...bitch.
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Almost the whole thing. Starting with that someone who just committed a theft is going to getall in your face to a cop that is politely asking him to get on the sidewalk. If anything, they would comply so that they don't get busted for the theft....or they would run. The part where he allegedly says to a cop holding a gun "You are too much of a pussy to shoot me"....it defies logic. It reads as if someone who is quickly trying to manufacture a story...and trust me, having represented hundreds if not thousands of people charged with crimes, I've read many a manufactured story. This one just rings of fabrication all over it.

    Well get your personal bias out of the equation. If Brown was in the state of mind where he could commit a crime, is it a stretch to imagine that he would be in the state of mind to tell a cop to **** off and retaliate when the cop didn't respond by going away? Not in my mind.

    Do you really believe that no one has ever told someone who was holding a gun that they are too much of a pussy to shoot me? Or is it just in this case?
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