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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I think the attraction for many liberals is that they think every worker would be "in charge".
    No, it's just that it encourages the corporation as a whole to treat the employees a little better.


    Of course real life doesn't work that way, and the LAST thing that any business needs is for workers to make the rules. Most businesses would be out of business in maybe six months if that happened.
    Except for these.

    The Employee Ownership 100: America's Largest Majority Employee-Owned Companies
    List of employee-owned companies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't even know where to begin.
    I am not a spelling or grammar Nazi, but some are really cute.

    Thanks for the giggle.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    How many people who complain about others working on Holidays do something... anything... that requires other people to work?

    - How many of you forget something for dinner and run to the grocery store?

    - How many go out to eat?

    - How many travel and gas up their vehicle?

    - How many watch football... or even just watch television?

    It takes workers to make all these things happen? If you do any of these things, your indignation is misplaced.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    No, it's just that it encourages the corporation as a whole to treat the employees a little better.

    Except for these.

    The Employee Ownership 100: America's Largest Majority Employee-Owned Companies
    List of employee-owned companies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Meh. I once worked for an employee-owned company. The concept is overrated.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Ohio lawmakers propose triple Thanksgiving Day pay

    Heard about this on NPR this morning. Not sure where I stand, thought, to be honest, I AM leaning towards actions like this...I'm just disgusted that such action is even needed.

    Basically, more and more retailers are deciding to be open for Thanksgiving, a family holiday. I perceive this as a move by the government to discourage such actions, by increasing the cost. Thing is, if americans were really concerned about making this a family holiday...they wouldn't ****ing SHOP on thanksgiving. Simple solution, right? If no one shops on this day, stores won't feel compelled to open to capture those sales. They are saying that enough major retailers do this, they will pressure the mom and pops to follow suit. Now, I'm no economic genius, but I fail to see how this works? So, Kmart is open on thanksgiving, and this somehow forces a store that, prior to Kmart's position, ACCEPTED no sales on this day. But now that Kmart is making money on this day...all of a sudden the mom and pop will be losing money for not making money on that day? Seems like kinda failed logic, to me...

    But anyway, yeah. It is what it is. I feel that, yeah, making someone work on their holiday should require extra compensation...but honestly, I think this **** shouldn't even be necessary. I think americans need to wake up and accept that if you **** in your bed, you gotta sleep in ****.
    We can dislike retailers being open for Thanksgiving if we like, but really, this is not in the legitimate realm of government-needed action.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    As a waiter and bartender in fine dining I worked ALL holiday, especially Easter, Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years Eve.

    GREAT money...
    So this is why I'm conflicted. There have been Thanksgivings where I've gone out to dinner; thanks to those of you who work that day! there are also holidays where going to the mall for movie is what I would love to do - thank goodness movie theaters are usually open!

    But of course, I'm depriving the workers of enjoying that time with their families (assuming they aren't Jehovah's Witnesses who don't observe the holidays)

    So there are people who don't want to have a day shut up with their families - they want to go out to movies, or bowling, or shopping, or whatever. And if a store is willing to accommodate them, well that's their choice. And of course restaurants, hospitals, police officers, security guards, etc, don't have a choice. There are many people who have to work holidays; but hopefully they knew that going into that occupation.

    But for stores that have not been open on holidays in the past but who have decided to open on them - their employees should be able to refuse to work those days without penalty. If stores really need them, they can pay them enough to come in.

    I personally will not shop on Black Friday or Black Thursday or whatever. I hate crowds. But like I said -going out to dinner or seeing a movie - I have done that in the past.

    So - Conflict is Me....

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    They usually do not "have equal say"
    Then it's not really equal ownership.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    At first when I saw the title, I thought it was weird because you already get paid at overtime rates on working Black Friday. But triple? No one at no time is worth triple what you pay them.
    If not, then the stores won't open. If the profits are enough, the stores will pay triple.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then it's not really equal ownership.
    Nowhere did I say that I thought ownership should be equal among all workers. I said the people should earn it and not be just given it.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    that's a cool tough guy story, but if you treat your workers badly enough, it usually ends up biting you in the ass.
    Sure it does, but that wasn't really my point. Workers going on strike is technically a breach of contract since they agreed to provide their labor to the employer. I don't think many people would say breach of contract is not a good reason to fire someone.

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