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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Ohio lawmakers propose triple Thanksgiving Day pay


    Heard about this on NPR this morning. Not sure where I stand, thought, to be honest, I AM leaning towards actions like this...I'm just disgusted that such action is even needed.

    Basically, more and more retailers are deciding to be open for Thanksgiving, a family holiday. I perceive this as a move by the government to discourage such actions, by increasing the cost. Thing is, if americans were really concerned about making this a family holiday...they wouldn't ****ing SHOP on thanksgiving. Simple solution, right? If no one shops on this day, stores won't feel compelled to open to capture those sales. They are saying that enough major retailers do this, they will pressure the mom and pops to follow suit. Now, I'm no economic genius, but I fail to see how this works? So, Kmart is open on thanksgiving, and this somehow forces a store that, prior to Kmart's position, ACCEPTED no sales on this day. But now that Kmart is making money on this day...all of a sudden the mom and pop will be losing money for not making money on that day? Seems like kinda failed logic, to me...


    But anyway, yeah. It is what it is. I feel that, yeah, making someone work on their holiday should require extra compensation...but honestly, I think this **** shouldn't even be necessary. I think americans need to wake up and accept that if you **** in your bed, you gotta sleep in ****.
    This year I'll be working on both Thanksgiving and Black Friday and I get time and a half, which is fine but nothing to write home about.

    But the thing is, neither consumers or retailers really give a **** about the retail workers in this case. At least not as much as they care about money and sales. It really is a race to the bottom but whatever, it is what it is I guess. Two years ago we opened at midnight, last year we opened at 6pm. This year we are open at 5pm and I have to be at work at 3pm on Thursday. At least this year we actually aren't open overnight, which is a plus.
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    agree with the intent of the measure, but disagree that it should be a measure in the first place.

    as the OP mentions, best way to stop the trend of stores opening on thanksgiving is to stop shopping on thanksgiving. it'll all even out in the long run.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    This reminds of those people that work at a grocery store and bitch and moan when they have to work thanksgiving. Well, yeah, that was a given when you took the job. Did you think that somehow people would remember everything they needed for the meal?

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Playing for a free education, you mean?
    At the end of the day, Division I college football and basketball players are still being exploited and the NCAA is essentially in breach of anti-trust law. This isn't really disputable. Now professional athletes, I don't particularly feel terrible for them on Thanksgiving.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A triple pay law would insure that more stores closed on Thanksgiving, meaning that workers will makenothing. That's way better! LOL!
    an alternative perspective. i like it.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Playing for a free education, you mean?
    No, playing so Gillette can sell more razors. This is about tv ratings plain and simple. Ratings for sports are in the toilet and they want to force people to stay home and watch sports. People are not irate that the security guard has to work the game. They do not get upset that the convenience store clerk has to be there to sell them a pack of smokes. Nobody gives a crap about whether or not JC Penny's does or does not open on Thanksgiving day.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    labor organization would render this issue moot.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    At the end of the day, Division I college football and basketball players are still being exploited and the NCAA is essentially in breach of anti-trust law. This isn't really disputable. Now professional athletes, I don't particularly feel terrible for them on Thanksgiving.
    Giving them a free edication, free tudors and under-the-table bennies is exploitation? I would LOVE to be exploited like that!
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Sure because the college athletes who do not even get to go home for the holiday because they are off playing for free in front of tens of thousands of people who are being served refreshments and foam fingers should be made to work--just not the guy who works at Walmart. Mom and pop shops have no incentive to even be open on black friday. People aren't coming there when Walmart has so many good deals.
    It's not just the athletes, but also the student trainers, the mascots, the cheerleaders, and the band members.

    That's part of the reason my kid dropped college marching band. And the New Years bowl games are even worse, one year my kid had to return to college on Christmas day, ride a bus to Florida, and spend the next week parading around for the bowl game, only to return to the college on Jan second (still a week before school started).
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    labor organization would render this issue moot.
    and a labor party would render the RNC and the DNC moot, which is why the US doesn't have one. Either way, people are free to organize or not organize, and so far they do not seem willing to organize in retail.

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