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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Most of the time, there are no vacation days approved between mid-November and the end of the year.
    And I bleive that, in the interests of preserving traditional american familty values, some things should remain sacred, like thanksgiving dinner.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And I bleive that, in the interests of preserving traditional american familty values, some things should remain sacred, like thanksgiving dinner.
    We live in a secular society. Nothing is sacred. Get over it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We live in a secular society. Nothing is sacred. Get over it.
    Yes, nothing is sacred, anymore. Just the dollar.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yes, nothing is sacred, anymore. Just the dollar.
    As it should be.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And I bleive that, in the interests of preserving traditional american familty values, some things should remain sacred, like thanksgiving dinner.
    Not everyone has a family in town with which they will be eating dinner. And certainly not all citizens grew up with the tradition of Thanksgiving dinner.

    I think Thanksgiving is a lovely holiday. It's secular, not religious. It's really just a time to say "thank you and I appreciate you " to family and friends. A chance to take a day to reflect. With no presents. I think it's a great holiday.

    But not everyone celebrates it like I do. If they want to work, or they want to shop, that is their choice.

    And I admit I will be watching football tomorrow, thankful that a large number of people have given up their holiday to entertain me. I do hope they are able to use Friday as an alternative

    I was just chatting with someone whose celebration got moved from Thurs to Fri because his mom decided she wanted to come visit them Fri, not Thurs. It will still be a joyful event for them; and luckily they were able to make the schedule change.

    It's really not about a specific day. It's about taking A day to say "thanks, family, friends, neighbors, whatever" - let's reflect on what good things we do have (even if we have many sorrows) and be glad we survived another year and think about those who didn't.

    ps - I admit, I do feel sorry for jehovah's witnesses who refuse to celebrate this holiday because it's "government imposed". Of course that is totally their choice; but I hope they find another time to be with friends/families in a relaxed sort of way.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    When you live in a country that has food stamps, medicaid/medicare and other forms of welfare that virtually guarantees almost every American can survive just fine by sitting on their butts...quitting IS almost always an option.
    The government should guarantee survival for it's citizens - not a nice apartment, iPad's and a 60" tv.


    As for your point about health and safety and child labor - that is a strawman and you (should) know it. I said NOTHING about these and I have said MANY times that child labor and health/safety laws should exist.

    But how much people get paid or how many hours they are asked to work is none of the government's business, imo.

    Obviously you disagree...fine.
    Yeah, we'll have to disagree. I don't think quitting is an option for most people -welfare doesn't pay that much and it's limited in time, food stamps aren't that generous and most people want to work. (if you think it's such a great deal, feel free to quit your job and depend on it...) If they are afraid they will get fired if they ask for overtime pay, they won't ask for it. Thank goodness it's mandated!

    Whether holiday pay should be more than OT pay - that can be debated. But if businesses want employees to be happy working holidays, they would be wise to pay extra. And if the govt mandated it, it would mean every employee wouldn't need to negotiate it. Oh, if only there were more unions!

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Sure because the college athletes who do not even get to go home for the holiday because they are off playing for free in front of tens of thousands of people who are being served refreshments and foam fingers should be made to work--just not the guy who works at Walmart. Mom and pop shops have no incentive to even be open on black friday. People aren't coming there when Walmart has so many good deals.
    I don't agree at all with any gov't entity forcing businesses to pay employees more, however, you make a great point about college athletes. That pisses me off as well. NFL? Whatever. Those guys get paid ridiculous amounts of money to entertain and should do it on any day they're told. Not college athletes.
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    When you live in a country that has food stamps, medicaid/medicare and other forms of welfare that virtually guarantees almost every American can survive just fine by sitting on their butts...quitting IS almost always an option.
    The government should guarantee survival for it's citizens - not a nice apartment, iPad's and a 60" tv.


    As for your point about health and safety and child labor - that is a strawman and you (should) know it. I said NOTHING about these and I have said MANY times that child labor and health/safety laws should exist.

    But how much people get paid or how many hours they are asked to work is none of the government's business, imo.

    Obviously you disagree...fine.
    You overestimate the quality of life that would be possible. The key is highlighted in red. That's about all one can do... survive. If it were as comfortable and easy as you seem to think, pretty much everybody would do it, not just the relative few who do.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Why are they open anyway? Don't you have all your sales on the Friday after?
    The sales on Thanksgiving are even better than those on Black Friday.
    Not to be a sexist, but for the most part, men and their boys are watching football.
    Women and their girls are shopping for Christmas.
    It's become a right of passage .
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A triple pay law would insure that more stores closed on Thanksgiving, meaning that workers will makenothing. That's way better! LOL!
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