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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Element Televisions are made in the US and I own 3 of them. Lenovo, while a Chinese owned company, makes laptops in the US and I own one of them. None of that changes that is not why TV's stopped being made in the US. Japan offered better TV's at a lower price so people bought their Sony over a Curtis Mathis.
    What do you mean when you say Element TVs are made in America? Do you mean all the parts are made and assembled here in the US? All or most of the parts are made outside the US and assembled here in the US? Made in some American territory where they hire workers dirt cheap but since it is made on American territory they can still call it American made?
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

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    Ohio lawmakers propose triple Thanksgiving Day pay


    Heard about this on NPR this morning. Not sure where I stand, thought, to be honest, I AM leaning towards actions like this...I'm just disgusted that such action is even needed.

    Basically, more and more retailers are deciding to be open for Thanksgiving, a family holiday. I perceive this as a move by the government to discourage such actions, by increasing the cost. Thing is, if americans were really concerned about making this a family holiday...they wouldn't ****ing SHOP on thanksgiving. Simple solution, right? If no one shops on this day, stores won't feel compelled to open to capture those sales. They are saying that enough major retailers do this, they will pressure the mom and pops to follow suit. Now, I'm no economic genius, but I fail to see how this works? So, Kmart is open on thanksgiving, and this somehow forces a store that, prior to Kmart's position, ACCEPTED no sales on this day. But now that Kmart is making money on this day...all of a sudden the mom and pop will be losing money for not making money on that day? Seems like kinda failed logic, to me...


    But anyway, yeah. It is what it is. I feel that, yeah, making someone work on their holiday should require extra compensation...but honestly, I think this **** shouldn't even be necessary. I think americans need to wake up and accept that if you **** in your bed, you gotta sleep in ****.
    This should be arranged between an employee and employer, why do we need a politician middleman-except for him to gain political capital?

    PS-I get double and triple time often for being on call/OT/staying over, but I tell my bosses what Im looking for. I dont need a govt stooge intervening.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Im not in favor of the triple-time, but there should be regulation to enforce closed shops/businesses (other than maybe 1/5 gas stations, and emergency rooms) on thanksgiving, xmas. americans (and especially GOP voters) talk about family this, family that. ZERO f'n walking of the walk though. all consumerism, all the time. sickening.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Sure because the college athletes who do not even get to go home for the holiday because they are off playing for free in front of tens of thousands of people who are being served refreshments and foam fingers should be made to work--just not the guy who works at Walmart. Mom and pop shops have no incentive to even be open on black friday. People aren't coming there when Walmart has so many good deals.
    My husband was a Division 1 college athlete - hockey. They never played Thanksgiving Day but played on each day around it so in 4 years he was never once able to go home for Thanksgiving, and he also only got 4 days at Christmas every year. He wasn't playing in front of tens of thousands (hockey doesn't have that kind of following) but he also wasn't playing "for free". He got a full ride scholarship. That was the price he was paid, and it was a damn big one, even in the early 1980s.
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What do you mean when you say Element TVs are made in America? Do you mean all the parts are made and assembled here in the US? All or most of the parts are made outside the US and assembled here in the US? Made in some American territory where they hire workers dirt cheap but since it is made on American territory they can still call it American made?
    Element TV's are made in America and while they mostly contain foreign made parts, they have indicated that they are actively looking for domestic parts suppliers. They just need more companies to open shop.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    I used to be an audiophile back in my younger days. (Now, I couldn't care less) Anyway, back in the day (early 90s, IIRC) it was literally impossible to purchase an American-made cassette deck. Granted, CDs were all the rage, and there were limited options of American-made CD players available... some with tubes... cassettes weren't wholly irrelevant yet and many serious audio people still wanted quality decks. Yet, if you wanted to support America you were out of luck.

    I do not know the current status of the stereo field as I no longer keep up with it.
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Element TV's are made in America and while they mostly contain foreign made parts, they have indicated that they are actively looking for domestic parts suppliers. They just need more companies to open shop.
    I struggle with this concept. Part of me say "assembled" is the same thing is "made" (in a given location), and part of me says it is not. I think for me to consider it having originated here would be that a majority of parts were from here as well.
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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I struggle with this concept. Part of me say "assembled" is the same thing is "made" (in a given location), and part of me says it is not. I think for me to consider it having originated here would be that a majority of parts were from here as well.
    I can understand your position but tThat would be true with most things made though. Letting it be known "hey if you build it in the US, we will buy from you" is about the best a company can do as far as suppliers. You have to have the materials to keep your doors open. Baby steps is better than nothing IMO.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Element TV's are made in America and while they mostly contain foreign made parts, they have indicated that they are actively looking for domestic parts suppliers. They just need more companies to open shop.
    That is very cool. I wish them success!

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen
    I used to be an audiophile back in my younger days. (Now, I couldn't care less) Anyway, back in the day (early 90s, IIRC) it was literally impossible to purchase an American-made cassette deck. Granted, CDs were all the rage, and there were limited options of American-made CD players available... some with tubes... cassettes weren't wholly irrelevant yet and many serious audio people still wanted quality decks. Yet, if you wanted to support America you were out of luck.

    I do not know the current status of the stereo field as I no longer keep up with it
    My husband is a big audiophile. I don't remember all the details (although I've heard them in LOTS of detail) but he finds most of his equipment from US companies (i.e. LIO audio systems) and the two main digital download sites he uses - for high res music - are in the US. But I know he has bought something from Germany... he also gets our cables from the UK

    Just asked him, he said it's easier to find the high-end audio that's all US made, but it is possible to find other audio stuff here as well.

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    Re: Increased Pay for working Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I struggle with this concept. Part of me say "assembled" is the same thing is "made" (in a given location), and part of me says it is not. I think for me to consider it having originated here would be that a majority of parts were from here as well.
    I think we have to look at where most of the value is created. Often, even thought the product might have a tag that says "made in China", most of the value of that product is produced in the USA.

    Think about the football jersies with pro and college team logos printed on them that they sell at places like Dicks and Academy. They may be priced as high as $80 in the stores, but most of the value is in the logo and brand and style and distribution of these products. Some company in China might have got paid $3 to make that garment, and they made it using an American design, with American equipment, and with the American public being the only reason it was produced to begin with. Less than 4% of the value of that garment was actually "made in China". We didn't send $80 to China, we sent $3.
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