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Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

I challenge anyone who believes that this grand jury decision is fair to take a couple of hours and sit in any courtroom across America that is handling preliminary hearings and witness the kind of "probable cause" the routinely results in people being "held to answer". I think your eyes would be opened to what the standard of proof that "probable cause" is in the average courtroom.

I thought you were a lawyer, a preliminary hearing and a grand jury are separate and different things. At least read up on the system if you're going to claim you were a prosecutor.
 
Wow....you're willing to COMPLETELY ignore Brown's actions prior to his death based on subjective generalizations about the " fairness " of GJs.

No, not at all. Just spend an hour in any courtroom across America and see what kind of evidence constitutes "probable cause" to hold someone to answer by the average judge. I think your eyes would be opened.
 
I thought you were a lawyer, a preliminary hearing and a grand jury are separate and different things. At least read up on the system if you're going to claim you were a prosecutor.

Trying reading more carefully.
 
No, not at all. Just spend an hour in any courtroom across America and see what kind of evidence constitutes "probable cause" to hold someone to answer by the average judge. I think your eyes would be opened.

Not the same thing and you should know it.
 
Not the same thing and you should know it.

Again.....try reading more carefully. Never said they were the same thing. However, the STANDARD OF PROOF (Probable Cause) is the same for both. DOH!

Oh....BTW....just so you know. The general public isn't allowed to sit in and observe grand jury proceedings. They ARE however, allowed to watch pretty much any preliminary hearing in an open courtroom.
 
Again.....try reading more carefully. Never said they were the same thing. However, the STANDARD OF PROOF (Probable Cause) is the same for both. DOH!

Oh....BTW....just so you know. The general public isn't allowed to sit in and observe grand jury proceedings. They ARE however, allowed to watch pretty much any preliminary hearing in an open courtroom.

If you were in fact a lawyer you'd have to know the differences and where they both may seek to find or not find probable cause to bind over, how they get there and the methods allowed are different enough to debunk your comments about how it all works.

Watching a preliminary hearing isn't going to inform you of the grand jury process.

As to that last, duh! That's one of the differences. The other is that the defendant's lawyer is present at a preliminary hearing. Evidentiary rules are also different. A grand jury has more investigatory power.
 
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Perceived injustice is a threat to blacks collectively because systemic privilege exists.

Sorry. But system privilege is crap if you think it is based on race. Systemic poverty? Sure. I agree and won't argue that. But to claim race is the factor in 2014? That is a joke. The only people who perpetuate that cycle are the ones who try to use their, culture, race, criminal records, or WHATEVER as an excuse as to why they failed.

Sorry. I don't big into that. Plenty of historic examples including the president as to why RACE is not what holds you down. It is YOU. Stop trying to excuse this victim complex. It is bull****.

Unless you are arguing that the black community is undermining themselves and their credibility to perceived injustice instead of addressing real problems. Them I agree.
 
When you want to blame others for the malfeasance being committed in Ferguson right now, any port in a storm will do.

Whom do you blame, specifically?
 
How about the perpetrators? Those who were looting and causing damage to property?

What about democrats, progressives and "black culture"?
 
my heart goes out to all those small business owners near the protest area. the anguish this must be putting them through. If the protesters don't get their "justice" the businesses are going be the first to get torched.

You can't lump the protestors with the looters.
 
Gross ignorance.

More of the same.

Tell you what. Prove that race is what keeps someone down. In 2014. Prove that race is why someone wont succeed. I know you will stretch and reach, but your only consistent patterns will be poverty and not race.

I will go deeper than that. Let's look at a psychological factor. Who is more likely to get a job? Someone who constantly blames their failures on their race, and by extension someone else? Or someone who blames themselves and adapts? You know the answer. That is why RACE is not what holds someone back.

The greatest injustice being done to the black community is that people excuse the blaming of their skin color. And that just adds to the mentality that is plaguing people, especially kids, in our country: "I'm a victim. It isn't my fault I failed." Our country is wrapped up in this BS narcissistic "gimme a trophy for participation" garbage.
 
Remember how white folks rioted when OJ was acquitted? Neither do I.

Yeah, but imagine all the mayhem whites would have been engaged in had Darren Wilson been indicted. There would have been reports of white people rioting online and throwing bricks and firebombs at Amazon.com and Ebay. It would have been terrible because that's how those white people roll when they don't get what they want.
 
If you were in fact a lawyer you'd have to know the differences and where they both may seek to find or not find probable cause to bind over, how they get there and the methods allowed are different enough to debunk your comments about how it all works.

Watching a preliminary hearing isn't going to inform you of the grand jury process.

As to that last, duh! That's one of the differences. The other is that the defendant's lawyer is present at a preliminary hearing. Evidentiary rules are also different. A grand jury has more investigatory power.


LOL....you really need to read more carefully. You are in such a rush to try to engage in your knee-jerk reactionism that you aren't comprehending the post you are responding to. Sorry....but major fail on your part here.
I never once tried to say that they are the same thing. Again....read carefully.....I am talking about the STANDARD OF PROOF. The STANDARD OF PROOF is the level of proof necessary to "bind someone over for trial" in a preliminary hearing or to issue an indictment in a grand jury proceeding. A District Attorney can choose to go by way of Grand Jury or Preliminary hearing. The STANDARD OF PROOF is the same in each instance.

Never said that watching a preliminary hearing is going to inform someone of the grand jury process. Again.....read carefully..... What I said is that the STANDARD OF PROOF, i.e. Probable Cause is the same in each. A person CAN watch a preliminary hearing and CAN observe what a trial judge deems PROBABLE CAUSE to bind someone over for trial at the end of a preliminary hearing. The point being.....people can understand just how low the STANDARD OF PROOF for probable cause is.

Again....never said that the defendant's lawyer isn't present at a preliminary hearing....read carefully before responding.
 
Breaking News: Rioting calmed down today as protesters prepared for Black Friday mayhem.
 
The unarm shooting was overkill. To fire ten times and also to fire at the head (obviously to kill rather than immobilize the teen) who was quite a length away and with no weapon.

Well, the suspect was huge and regardless of what people might think size plays a part in how people see you. If you're a huge ****ing dude and you go around charging people the chances you will be shot and killed are greater than if you were a smaller individual and did the same thing. Why? Because big ****ing people can **** up a greater percentage of the population and therefore people become scared easier around them. Of course, this dude here loses some points for being as dumb as a brick wall, but all the same, he was huge and charging a cop. He pretty much killed himself.
 
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The unarm shooting was overkill. To fire ten times and also to fire at the head (obviously to kill rather than immobilize the teen) who was quite a length away and with no weapon.

Did you even bother to read the testimony before you came to that opinion?
 
No, not at all. Just spend an hour in any courtroom across America and see what kind of evidence constitutes "probable cause" to hold someone to answer by the average judge. I think your eyes would be opened.



Generalizations and opinions....

Irrelevant to the GJs decision to NOT indict Officer Wilson.
 
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