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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Thanks - hopefully, if it doesn't hand down an indictment, the local authorities let it rest even if the feds pursue it on civil rights grounds.
    Either way, I hope the feds stay out of continuing it.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    delaying the announcement means he's probably not indicted.
    They're waiting for the cops and national gaurd to get in place, before the **** hits the fan. I believe they waited until today, because school is out for Thanksgiving.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    So... anyone have an over/under bet on how quickly there will be riots in Ferguson (and elsewhere?)
    My bet is: there will be riots either way.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Either way, I hope the feds stay out of continuing it.
    Worse, I hope the race baiters stay out of it. That includes Holder.

    They won't, but I wish they would.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Thanks - hopefully, if it doesn't hand down an indictment, the local authorities let it rest even if the feds pursue it on civil rights grounds.
    Even if Officer Wilson is not indicted, the Browns will still have the option of suing him in a civil court. This would not mean jail but monetary damages if found guilty.
    (strangely similar to the OJ case, whereupon THOSE Browns sued and won in a civil court.)

    A civil case would be much easier as the burden of proof is much less. In a criminal court the plaintiff must establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, where, in a civil case, the proof needed for a guilty verdict is the preponderance of the evidence. That is, is there more evidence of guilt than innocence?

    It would be wise of the authorities to announce no indictment* late, late at night or early, early in the morning. I am sure the more motivated "protesters" will still do their worst, however, perhaps the timing of the announcement could allow some time for cooler heads to prevail.


    *If that is the outcome.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Worse, I hope the race baiters stay out of it. That includes Holder.

    They won't, but I wish they would.
    Unfortunately, one comes with the other.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Even if Officer Wilson is not indicted, the Browns will still have the option of suing him in a civil court. This would not mean jail but monetary damages if found guilty.
    (strangely similar to the OJ case, whereupon THOSE Browns sued and won in a civil court.)

    A civil case would be much easier as the burden of proof is much less. In a criminal court the plaintiff must establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, where, in a civil case, the proof needed for a guilty verdict is the preponderance of the evidence. That is, is there more evidence of guilt than innocence?

    It would be wise of the authorities to announce no indictment* late, late at night or early, early in the morning. I am sure the more motivated "protesters" will still do their worst, however, perhaps the timing of the announcement could allow some time for cooler heads to prevail.


    *If that is the outcome.
    A civil case in this matter would likely be against the city, police department, and state - the ones with the deep pockets. They'd have to prove some form of systemic racism in order to be successful and it will be impossible to do, in my opinion, solely against Officer Wilson. But you're right, that's likely what the future holds.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Who knows. Time will tell. I'm sure we'll eventually find out.
    Again. Unless I am being lied to which I highly doubt.

    The announcement is supposed to be at 8pm.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    I heard the same from the news conference about 10 minutes ago. We find out at 9pm Eastern, 8pm there.
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Even if Officer Wilson is not indicted, the Browns will still have the option of suing him in a civil court. This would not mean jail but monetary damages if found guilty.
    (strangely similar to the OJ case, whereupon THOSE Browns sued and won in a civil court.)

    A civil case would be much easier as the burden of proof is much less. In a criminal court the plaintiff must establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, where, in a civil case, the proof needed for a guilty verdict is the preponderance of the evidence. That is, is there more evidence of guilt than innocence?

    It would be wise of the authorities to announce no indictment* late, late at night or early, early in the morning. I am sure the more motivated "protesters" will still do their worst, however, perhaps the timing of the announcement could allow some time for cooler heads to prevail.


    *If that is the outcome.
    A civil suit would likely be unsuccessful. Unless he's charged with police misconduct, he'd likely be entitled to qualified immunity. You'd need to basically prove that all other law enforcement officers in a similar situation would react differently which based solely on the information thats been leaked, highly unlikely.

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