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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No you have not disproven anything because the point is that white Americans tend value to the life of a white Wall Street executive more than they value the life of a black guy from the Midwest. And if a black cop shot and killed an unarmed white Wall Street executive and there was no trial, despite eyewitness testimony that the executive posed no threat to the black cop, regardless of whether there were accounts to contradict that, there would be outrage from many whites who support the current grand jury decision.

    So post an example of such an occurence. I've come as close as, I believe, possible. An unarmed white man shot by a black cop where the black cop was exonerated and I (and most would) agree with that outcome. Dealing with a hypothetical is not only difficult, but impossible to argue.

    But... If the exact same situation occured with just the race of the actors changed, I would still support the outcome that was achieved - exoneration of the black police officer and condemnation of the white executive - in your hypothetical.

    Many of those currently condemning the cop woudl not only not know about it, but would agree with the decision since the emotional response would be very different.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Rich white people have been known to shoplift. It is possible that one could shoplift some Cuban cigars, so it is not a ridiculous example at all.



    You doubt that, but you don't appear to have any doubt whatsoever about the officers claim that he was assaulted, despite the fact that there is evidence that contradicts the officers claim. Why don't you have any such doubt? Because you believe that assaulting a police officer is the type of thing that black males do.



    It is laughable to assert that I said that other white Wall Street executives would start burning down NYC. What I did say is there would be outrage, from many of the whites that now support this indictment.



    It is not an analogy, it is a hypothetical scenario that demonstrates that whites place a different value on the life of a white Wall Street executive than they do a black guy like Brown. Therefore your response is total fail.
    1. Shoplifting is different than strong arm robbery.

    2. What evidence do you have that no attack occured? Because there was evidence that it did occur along with black eyewitnesses that said it occurred.

    3. Ok your "hypothetical" what ever...it's still itter crap and meant to excuse the behavior of Mike Brown that day.

    4. Doesn't matter GJ did not indict, and no amount of bitching about it will change that...
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So you are saying because of systematic racial injustices, the best thing we can hope for is back people rioting over a thug who just robbed a store and charged a cop and got killed for it?
    I think we can hope for better management of the threat incurred upon minorities via perceived injustice under systemic privilege.

    The real culprit here starts with the media who played up the "white cop black "kid"" angle, fanning the flames, then the feurgeson police for making all the wrong choices in dealing with the protests.
    The real culprit is the person that attacked a police officer and those that would use tragedy (of whatever sort) to riot.

    Then you have the breakdown of the african American family, and systematic poverty, to which in suck african american communities there is peer pressure of being smart and trying to be successful as "acting white".
    We all struggle with this problem, minorities and the majority need to work towards better understanding.

    coupled with the dependent class hand out society created by the left you have reactions such as this.
    The reaction is not to do with entitlement. It's to do with perceived injustice constituting a collective threat.

    ultimately though the riots, are to be blamed on the rioters/.
    The same criminals that are responsible for this and other horrendous crimes (regardless of race, etc). They exist, in every group, and they will take advantage of insecurity.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. Shoplifting is different than strong arm robbery.

    2. What evidence do you have that no attack occured? Because there was evidence that it did occur along with black eyewitnesses that said it occurred.

    3. Ok your "hypothetical" what ever...it's still itter crap and meant to excuse the behavior of Mike Brown that day.

    4. Doesn't matter GJ did not indict, and no amount of bitching about it will change that...
    Shoplifting and robbery are both stealing. And by the way, rich white people also engage in robbery, extortion, and violent coercion. I have not collected any evidence. Do a google search and you can read about the contradictory evidence that was presented to the jury. I am not trying to provide an excuse, all I am saying is that there is evidence that contradicts the police officer's version of the events that took place. That being the case, there should have been a trial. Of course it doesn't matter to you because Brown is a black male whose life matters little to you.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Shoplifting and robbery are both stealing. And by the way, rich white people also engage in robbery, extortion, and violent coercion. I have not collected any evidence. Do a google search and you can read about the contradictory evidence that was presented to the jury. I am not trying to provide an excuse, all I am saying is that there is evidence that contradicts the police officer's version of the events that took place. That being the case, there should have been a trial. Of course it doesn't matter to you because Brown is a black male whose life matters little to you.
    What " evidence " contradicts Wilson's side of the story ?

    Just curious.

    All I've seen so far is evidence that backs up his side of the story and evidence that proves the " hands up dont shoot " mantra was all based on lies.

    And no there shouldn't have been a trial.

    A GJ can indict on much less than it would take to prove guilt in a Court of law.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What " evidence " contradicts Wilson's side of the story ?
    Do a simple google search and read about the evidence that was presented to the grand jury.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What happened was the fault of the victim for being a thief and a bully, and the fault of the officer for not taking better control of the situation instead of firing randomly which seems clear, having fired 12 shots.

    Despite Michael Brown being a thief and a bully he should not have died for this crime. And the officer appears to have been poorly trained, which is not his fault either.

    The gun culture and strong-arm tactics among the police has to change, just as some areas in the culture of the Black community must change also. This is about culture, not race, in both of these communities.

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    You got some absurd claims there.
    1. He did not die for his crime of stealing.

    2. Officer Wilson did not fire randomly.
    The gun went off in the car during a struggle. That isn't wildly.
    He fired at a moving target until the threat ceased to be a threat. That isn't wildly.

    3. This all could have been avoided had Brown not stole and if he had complied with what he was told to do.
    Had Brown done so, he would still be alive today.
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So you are saying because of systematic racial injustices, the best thing we can hope for is back people rioting over a thug who just robbed a store and charged a cop and got killed for it?


    The real culprit here starts with the media who played up the "white cop black "kid"" angle, fanning the flames, then the feurgeson police for making all the wrong choices in dealing with the protests.

    Then you have the breakdown of the african American family, and systematic poverty, to which in suck african american communities there is peer pressure of being smart and trying to be successful as "acting white".

    coupled with the dependent class hand out society created by the left you have reactions such as this.


    ultimately though the riots, are to be blamed on the rioters/.



    What the hell is this world coming to?
    This white privileged bs needs to stop.

    Student mugged, says he deserved it because of his 'privilege'

    Oliver Friedfeld blames his misfortune on his privilege and the inequality gap.
    The student suggests that until we right the wrongs of the past, society should get used to “sporadic muggings and break-ins.”
    Student mugged, says he deserved it because of his 'privilege'
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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    As a result of that, they are more willing to believe the officers assertion, despite the existence of evidence that contradicts the officer's claim. Because of the existence of such evidence, there should have at least been a trial, although it is not clear if the evidence is strong enough to result in a conviction.
    And you are simply wrong in your assertion.
    Especially as the evidence in toto clearly indicated the Officer was correct.
    Bad evidence can simply be dismissed, by a prosecutor a a GJ. And as such there was no need for a trial here.

    It's like you think that a witness' account that doesn't mach up with the rest of the evidence or forensics should still be considered as credible as any other account that does match up. That would be ridiculous.

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    Re: Reports: Ferguson grand jury has made decision

    I see, "black people" apparently prefer segregation...


    What the hell is this world coming to?
    This white privileged bs needs to stop.

    Student mugged, says he deserved it because of his 'privilege'

    Oliver Friedfeld blames his misfortune on his privilege and the inequality gap.
    The student suggests that until we right the wrongs of the past, society should get used to “sporadic muggings and break-ins.”
    Student mugged, says he deserved it because of his 'privilege'
    oh man...this is ridiculous.

    This mugged idiot really thinks that he deserves to be victimized... Does he not realize that what he's simultaneously saying is that black people deserve to be criminals?

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