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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder if this has anything to do with Benghazi.
    Nah. They need someone to be a whipping boy for ISIL, and Hagel had a bad habit lately of telling the truth going off message.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Generals that have too much power are just as bad. Case in point: Douglas MacArthur.
    ...the guy who basically saved South Korea? After leading the Island Hopping campaign in WWII? And who then was easily replaced by a President who decided he had run his mouth too much?

    Yeah. That's clearly as bad as politicians who don't know what they are doing micromanaging a war playing soldier I mean, it's not like anyone dies when we wage war ineffectively or anything....

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You know how military coups happen? One military official who thinks that the countries' civilian leaders are inferior and deserved to be removed.
    That is objectively false. No single military officer has that capability in any military.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Who would you pick as defense secraterry?
    This question should be it's own thread. You want to do the honors on that? I don't want to steal your thunder
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Jim Mattis for SECDEF
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is objectively false. No single military officer has that capability in any military.
    this is an overview of macarthur's termination as a lone wolf undermining US foreign policy:
    With all American forces in full retreat , some of the military decisions made by MacArthur were accused of accelerating the crisis. American losses, particularly marines, reached the unacceptable range. The U.S. retreat was humiliating. The conversation now turned to total evacuation of our forces. General Ridgway assumed more and more responsibility in decision making. The U.S., during a lull in the fighting, announced that negotiations might be possible with both sides separated by the 38th parallel. As usual MacArthur rejected the idea of a negotiated settlement. He continued to irritate Ridgway, however so far Ridgway had kept it to himself. MacArthur continued to make statements that were contrary to not only Ridgway but to the official position of Washington, and specifically Truman. The arrogant MacArthur had derailed the U.S. initiative with his "routine communiqué", which was actually a dare for China to continue the war. The Pentagon received his message, which infuriated many high ranking officials. Acheson said that MacArthur had "shot his mouth off" for the last time. The next morning Truman awakened to the news of MacArthur's "sabotage". At that moment he could no longer tolerate his insubordination. Truman had considered firing MacArthur many times previous to this, but this was the last straw. Actually the order of Dec. 6 which MacArthur had disobeyed was explicit enough to warrant court-martial proceedings. MacArthur's statements were causing consternation in Washington as was his insulting personal letter to Ridgway. His advice letter to the House of Representatives again infuriated everyone. The British Government called the letter the "most dangerous" of an "apparently unending series of indiscretions". They claimed it was another irresponsible statement without the authorization of the U.S. or any U.N. member government. The Foreign Secretary complained that MacArthur wanted a war with China, and his leadership could no longer be tolerated. On Apr. 6 a meeting was held with Truman to determine how to get rid of MacArthur. Truman insisted "I'm going to fire the son of a bitch right now". MacArthur was ordered to turnover his command at once to Lt. General Ridgway. General Bradley warned Truman that if MacArthur heard about the orders before they reached him officially he might resign with an arrogant flair. Truman exclaimed "The son of a bitch isn't going to resign on me, I want him fired". MacArthur's dismissal was announced on late night radio:
    "With deep regret I have concluded that General of the Army Douglas MacArthur is unable to give his wholehearted support to the policies of the U.S. Government and of the U.N. in matters pertaining to his official duties. In view of the specific responsibilities imposed upon me by the Constitution of the U.S. and the added responsibilities entrusted to me by the U.N. I have decided that I must make a change in command in the Far East. I have, therefore, relieved General MacArthur of his command and have designated Lt. Gen. Matthew Ridgway as his successor". MacArthur accepted the unsurprising news impassively. He said that he had never disobeyed orders, and that his dismissal was a plot in Washington to weaken the American position in the Far East.
    TRUMAN FIRES INSUBORDINATE MacARTHUR

    macarthur was so full of himself, Truman could not allow him to remain in a position of authority damaging to the administration
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is an overview of macarthur's termination as a lone wolf undermining US foreign policy:

    TRUMAN FIRES INSUBORDINATE MacARTHUR

    macarthur was so full of himself, Truman could not allow him to remain in a position of authority damaging to the administration
    ....which in no way justifies the illiterate claim that a single military officer (any single military officer) deciding that he should replace the administration is all that you need to happen for a coup.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Jim Mattis for SECDEF
    Even better. Mattis for SECOFF (let some limp wrister play "defense").

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Worth highlighting from the OP article in this context:
    several of Mr. Obama’s top advisers over the past few months have also acknowledged privately that the president did not want another high-profile defense secretary in the manner of Mr. Gates

    In other words, with major portions of the world collapsing, the President didn't want anyone who might challenge his status as the Smartest Man In Any Room He Walks Into.
    At the very least an erroneous interpretation that is possibly the result of the flaw of distortion due to projection. On the other end of the spectrum it is a deliberate, diabolical distortion that is meant to create an image of the President as someone who is a self absorbed elitist snob in the minds of those who are susceptible, due to malice, envy, and/or frustration that Obama is President in the first place.

    It appears George Will, et al, have quite a following, as this is no more than a regurgitation of the same vindictive rhetoric that has been born from that deformed mental womb.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    At the very least an erroneous interpretation that is possibly the result of the flaw of distortion due to projection. On the other end of the spectrum it is a deliberate, diabolical distortion that is meant to create an image of the President as someone who is a self absorbed elitist snob in the minds of those who are susceptible, due to malice, envy, and/or frustration that Obama is President in the first place.

    It appears George Will, et al, have quite a following, as this is no more than a regurgitation of the same vindictive rhetoric that has been born from that deformed mental womb.
    A pretense of sesquipedalianism will not save you.

    Oh look, the President engages in a deliberate diabolical distortion meant to create an image of himself as an elitist snob who thinks he is the smartest man in any room he walks into:

    Quote Originally Posted by President Obama
    “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
    The guy is arrogant. It's part of the core of who he is. He's so arrogant he's the kind of guy who can even admit to being arrogant, but think that that doesn't make him arrogant, it just makes him truthful. I mean, if writing two autobiographies before he even did anything wasn't enough, well, there you are, in his own words and in the words of his staff members (which you were upset about).

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