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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all, I am just saying that it is already known that he was fired, even before this dog and pony show for the camera's...Why come out there and make it seem like Hagel was leaving of his own accord? It was a political move to fire him, and now those with two shreds of common sense saw yet another opportunity to lie for Obama, and he does it seamlessly....He is pathological.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well. This is not entirely unanticipated.



    Sort of. Hagel was brought on board to be the whipping boy, to put a Republican in charge of drawing down so as to partly shield Democrats from charges of being Soft On Defense. Whether that means he isn't up to the task of crafting a counter-ISIL policy is an interesting claim, given that he has generally been out in front of the President on this.

    So Hagel is being told to resign. I wonder how he's going to take that?



    So.... in other words, they don't like Hagel because he pointed out how they didn't take ISIL seriously... so they are firing him in order to prove that they are going to take ISIL seriously......



    Thus far every single SECDEF to have served under Obama has gone on to write a memoir smashing the administration for being generally unwilling and incapable to the task of effectively pursuing foreign policy in a complex and rapidly moving world. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for Hagel's book. Especially if this is done so that they can put the blame for failing to respond in time to the growth of ISIL, we might get a response that is quite interesting.
    I wonder if this has anything to do with Benghazi.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    IF Truman did not fire MacArthur for insubordination, who knows what would have happened in Korea.

    MacArthur argued for using nukes on china for Pete's sake.
    So? The "bomb" was the latest and greatest military tool of the day. We had just used two not many years before. With no promise that we would never use them again.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So? The "bomb" was the latest and greatest military tool of the day. We had just used two not many years before. With no promise that we would never use them again.
    The whole point at the time was to avoid getting involved in a war with the Soviet Union, which would be catastrophic for the entire human race.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is General McArthur a good example?
    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    IF Truman did not fire MacArthur for insubordination, who knows what would have happened in Korea.

    MacArthur argued for using nukes on china for Pete's sake.
    Ok, we know the history, now how is an example of a general with too much power?
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, we know the history, now how is an example of a general with too much power?
    You know how military coups happen? One military official who thinks that the countries' civilian leaders are inferior and deserved to be removed.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    But war sometimes stumbles into international politics.
    Naturally, but micromanaging the military from the white house is never an appropriate activity regardless of the politics.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    He failed in wiping out ISIS and weapons are flowing from the U.S. to the Iraqi army to ISIS fighters.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

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    weapons are flowing from the U.S. to the Iraqi army to ISIS fighters.
    Would you prefer ISIS overruns Iraq immediately?

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is General McArthur a good example?
    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You know how military coups happen? One military official who thinks that the countries' civilian leaders are inferior and deserved to be removed.
    I think it's time you admit your failed in your original post.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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