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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Who would you pick as defense secraterry?
    Not my job. I don't care who he picks. I care about the micromanagement of the military. We should have learned our lesson from Vietnam where we engaged in white house micromanagement and mission creep. The problem hasn't been the secretaries of defense. I think all three of them have been fine. The problem has been Obama who can't get past his political agenda to handle the country's business. He doesn't appear to need or want a SOD. Perhaps he just needs to have the joint chiefs visit once per week to get their marching orders.

    The right way for the president to handle the DOD would be.

    1. State a mission and a desired outcome.
    2. Ask what DOD needs to get it done.
    3. Work with congress to get it funded.
    4. Tell DOD to keep him informed on progress.

    Pretty simple, really. The only politics involved should be with Congress, not DOD. The only management of the mission should be at DOD, not the white house.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Not my job. I don't care who he picks. I care about the micromanagement of the military. We should have learned our lesson from Vietnam where we engaged in white house micromanagement and mission creep. The problem hasn't been the secretaries of defense. I think all three of them have been fine. The problem has been Obama who can't get past his political agenda to handle the country's business. He doesn't appear to need or want a SOD. Perhaps he just needs to have the joint chiefs visit once per week to get their marching orders.

    The right way for the president to handle the DOD would be.

    1. State a mission and a desired outcome.
    2. Ask what DOD needs to get it done.
    3. Work with congress to get it funded.
    4. Tell DOD to keep him informed on progress.

    Pretty simple, really. The only politics involved should be with Congress, not DOD. The only management of the mission should be at DOD, not the white house.
    Generals that have too much power are just as bad. Case in point: Douglas MacArthur.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Must have not been toeing the line.
    Obama didn't what Hagel had to tell him.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Generals that have too much power are just as bad. Case in point: Douglas MacArthur.
    How is General McArthur a good example?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is General McArthur a good example?
    IF Truman did not fire MacArthur for insubordination, who knows what would have happened in Korea.

    MacArthur argued for using nukes on china for Pete's sake.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Generals that have too much power are just as bad. Case in point: Douglas MacArthur.
    Obama has fired most of his, so looks like he has a pattern.
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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Generals that have too much power are just as bad. Case in point: Douglas MacArthur.
    Are just as bad as what? There is nothing worse than a president who doesn't understand his level of competence and won't stay away from things about which he is not competent. Presidents do politics. Generals do military missions. That is what each does best. Despite my being a veteran, if I were president I wouldn't dream of telling the generals how to run a war. That isn't my area of expertise.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Hagel doesn't get a pass though. Sorry!


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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Listening to Obama right now lie about why Hagel is out is pathetic....He's making it sound like this was Hagel's idea....
    There was scuttlebutt going back in October that Obama was going to purge Hagel from the DoD.

    It was expected.

    The question is who will be the next Secretary of Defense ? It'll be another affirmative action appointment of someone who's incompetent and who's main agenda will be to continue the social engineering of our military services.

    Looking at the "A" list we see Susan Rice, Barbra Boxer, Jane Fonda and Al Sharpton.

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    re: Hagel Said to Be Stepping Down as Defense Chief Under Pressure[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Are just as bad as what? There is nothing worse than a president who doesn't understand his level of competence and won't stay away from things about which he is not competent. Presidents do politics. Generals do military missions. That is what each does best. Despite my being a veteran, if I were president I wouldn't dream of telling the generals how to run a war. That isn't my area of expertise.
    But war sometimes stumbles into international politics.
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