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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So we had a gang drug deal going on? Where are we going with this?
    I'm saying just because he was 12 years old, doesn't mean a 12 year old isn't capable of killing. A cop in the field seeing a suspect who is 12 years old grabbing what the officer thinks is a weapon is going to shoot. Hesitation means death in that situation if the kid had a REAL gun and was going to fire.

    THIS 12-year old obviously wasn't going to kill, but that is hindsight 20/20 at this point. The officer didn't know that.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    I wonder if he "grabbed" or simply reached to pull it from his waistband. I also wonder why the police chief repeatedly described a 12 year old child as "the young man" at the press conference. Damage limitation? This is a police department that fired 130 shots during a lengthy car chase involving 60 police cruisers and 100 officers, which ended with two deaths.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    When Son Numbah One started driving and going out on his own some, I had to have that dreaded conversation with him: I told him that in any interactions with the police, he had to:

    1. Keep mouth shut as much as possible.
    2. Assume they are EAGER to Tazer or shoot him dead and be very very careful not to give them an excuse to do so.
    3. Not trust a damn thing they say because they lie a lot.


    Hated to do that. Felt that I had to.


    I guess these days we'd better have that talk when they're 9....
    It's unfortunate that the Police have become like that too. They've broken all the trust with the People and then wonder why the People in general will not cooperate with them. They're starting to KGB it up too much.

    Police are great, and necessary, and the job is beyond tough. But we need GOOD cops, we need cops that serve the People and their communities; not the power of central government nor the delusions of grandure that the officer himself may have. We need to protect the good cops out there, but we also must punish the bad. And like all government, the power of the police must be limited and controlled.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How many people with fake guns have the cops already shot this year? They've already shot at least one kid, there was that story several months ago about that. They shot the older dude in Walmart, I think it was too. The precedent is established, they don't need to check or verify potential threat. If you have a fake gun, they can shoot you dead.
    How many officers have died in the line of duty from shootings? Sorry but if you are going to grab a gun (fake or not) after an officer tells you to put your hands up, you are an idiot. There is a time and place to challenge authority and in the right way. This wasn't one of those times.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm saying just because he was 12 years old, doesn't mean a 12 year old isn't capable of killing. A cop in the field seeing a suspect who is 12 years old grabbing what the officer thinks is a weapon is going to shoot. Hesitation means death in that situation if the kid had a REAL gun and was going to fire.

    THIS 12-year old obviously wasn't going to kill, but that is hindsight 20/20 at this point. The officer didn't know that.


    Maybe. We don't know all the details. It's still a damn shame, and I think I would have risked myself a little more to give him another second to drop the thing.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    How many officers have died in the line of duty from shootings? Sorry but if you are going to grab a gun (fake or not) after an officer tells you to put your hands up, you are an idiot. There is a time and place to challenge authority and in the right way. This wasn't one of those times.
    A kid with a fake gun is not legitimate target. Sorry.

    Threat assessment is not currently at a proper level to actually assess the threat. Shoot first, ask questions later is not acceptable protocol of the government against its own citizens.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Maybe. We don't know all the details. It's still a damn shame, and I think I would have risked myself a little more to give him another second to drop the thing.
    Of course it is a shame. However, my father-in-law being a retired cop and my brother-in-law who is a cop, both said they would most likely have shot.

    I agree it is a horrible shame. In this day and age when citizens don't have any problem shooting at an officer to escape a warrant, I don't blame them for shooting when some idiot grabs a gun (fake or not) AFTER they tell them to put their hands up.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A kid with a fake gun is not legitimate target. Sorry.

    Threat assessment is not currently at a proper level to actually assess the threat. Shoot first, ask questions later is not acceptable protocol of the government against its own citizens.
    At that time they didn't know and those guns are realistic. Tell you what, you go fight the good fight and do the same thing to an officer and let us know how your "protest" goes.

    It also isn't acceptable for citizens to fire on cops but that is what happens. Just take a look at the deaths each day.

    I'm sure you "care" just as much when an officer gets shot and killed.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    1 - it was just a kid.
    2 - it was BLACK kid (racist policeman, huh?)
    In my childhood, we were often playing in "civil war" with toy guns, and, you will not believe, policemen watched and laughed, keyword - laugh. They did not shot us, did not shout "HANDS UP, NOW!" They just laughed...

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    At that time they didn't know and those guns are realistic. Tell you what, you go fight the good fight and do the same thing to an officer and let us know how your "protest" goes.

    It also isn't acceptable for citizens to fire on cops but that is what happens. Just take a look at the deaths each day.+
    They have a job that innately puts them into dangerous situations which may threaten their lives. This is already known. It is not excuse for "shoot first, ask questions later". The police are to SERVE the People, not themselves and not the government. Of course it isn't acceptable for citizens to shoot at cops, those who do will be arrested and punished. But that does not mean that cops get to become roaming death squads. That's stupid.
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