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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How many times was the kid asked? What did the kid say? The dispatcher could be culpable in this too for failing to relay what the caller said.
    The kid grabbed it AFTER the officer told him to put his hands up. It doesn't matter how many times the officer said it, once the kid grabbed the weapon, what does "logic" dictate to you if you were a LEO?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How many times was the kid asked? What did the kid say? The dispatcher could be culpable in this too for failing to relay what the caller said.
    Seems like you are looking to blame ANYONE other than the kid and his parents.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    You were the kind of good cop I respect. I don't find you crazy at all, more like the kind of people we do need as police.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LagerHead View Post
    What kind of moron calls 911 to report a kid playing with what he believes to be a toy? I hope that dip**** can sleep at night. I know I wouldn't be able to.
    He didnt believe it to be a toy. He stated he didnt know (and how could he? Have you seen the BB gun? It LOOKS like any other semi automatic pistol). What he said was "its probably fake...I dont know. But he is pointing it at people and scaring the **** out of them".

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Seems like you are looking to blame ANYONE other than the kid and his parents.
    Do you think his parents contemplated such a situation? I think almost no parents would. The kid did something stupid, no one has argued that. Question is, did the cop have to shoot him?
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    This sounds like a tragic case all the war around. I see little that could have prevented it from going down badly as it did.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I was an officer.

    If it was an adult, and I had any doubt, I'd shoot.

    A 12yo, I'd try to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible... yes even if it meant taking a greater risk that I might get shot.



    Call me crazy, but I would have hated myself forever if I'd shot a 12yo with a toy gun. Even if he did act stupid.
    That is quite noble but this was also in a setting where others were at risk too. Officers are likely in body armor where bystanders are not. I respect your judgement but also respect the judgement of those officers on the scene - we all seem to agree that it was a judgement call.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm beginning to think there are some LEO's out there that don't think their careers are complete unless they've dropped a perp.
    Basically man. This dude, Akai Gurley, was shot dead by a rookie cop when Gurley was just walking down a staircase in an apartment building.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is quite noble but this was also in a setting where others were at risk too. Officers are likely in body armor where bystanders are not. I respect your judgement but also respect the judgement of those officers on the scene - we all seem to agree that it was a judgement call.


    When I was a cop, we were taught that we should NEVER question the judgment of the officers-on-the-scene... at least not where the public could hear, and not where the LT could hear it either.


    Privately, yeah we talked about stuff, and we said "Yeah, that was a bad call."


    Part of the problem with modern policing is that Officer Safety has grown more important than "to protect and serve".


    Considering public safety, how safe was it having officers firing at a playground? I guess we're lucky it wasn't the NYPD, their hit-to-miss record is abominable...

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do you think his parents contemplated such a situation? I think almost no parents would. The kid did something stupid, no one has argued that. Question is, did the cop have to shoot him?
    Common sense should have dictated that putting a very realistic gun in your kids hands may have complications.

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