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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    The caller could -- at least enough to mention it directly during his emergency call. Why didn't the dispatcher pass that along? Why couldn't the officers read the situation as well as a pedestrian could? Why did the officers not administer first aid after the shooting? Do you have answers to any of these questions?
    He said "I dont know...its PROBABLY...." making a guess not a judgement.

    Youve seen the gun. Go ahead. Lie. Make the claim you could have been able to determine it was not a real gun.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He said "I dont know...its PROBABLY...." making a guess not a judgement.

    Youve seen the gun. Go ahead. Lie. Make the claim you could have been able to determine it was not a real gun.
    I would have never been in that situation. I would have taken an entirely different approach, as opposed to the "amps to 11" escalation on display in that video. And, as you note, the caller could distinguish. "Probably" means that's how he read the situation. He was right. The police were wrong.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I would have never been in that situation. I would have taken an entirely different approach, as opposed to the "amps to 11" escalation on display in that video. And, as you note, the caller could distinguish. "Probably" means that's how he read the situation. He was right. The police were wrong.
    Oh I agree completely...you would NEVER be in the situation. Ever. SO you can be nice and safe judging from the armchair.

    But at least you wont lie about being able to tell the difference. Granted...that makes all your other ridiculous comments about the toy gun that much more silly...but I'll at least give you credit for not lying about that.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh I agree completely...you would NEVER be in the situation. Ever. SO you can be nice and safe judging from the armchair.

    But at least you wont lie about being able to tell the difference. Granted...that makes all your other ridiculous comments about the toy gun that much more silly...but I'll at least give you credit for not lying about that.
    And you continue to ignore all context and focus solely on how "real" the gun looks. However, even if the gun had been a real firearm, I still think the cops were wrong. It is legal to have firearms in Ohio. No one was in any immediate danger until the two killer cops arrived.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    And you continue to ignore all context and focus solely on how "real" the gun looks. However, even if the gun had been a real firearm, I still think the cops were wrong. It is legal to have firearms in Ohio. No one was in any immediate danger until the two killer cops arrived.
    Why thats just horse****, son. If that was your REAL point you wouldn't continue to spend so much time with the lie about the 'toy' gun rhetoric.

    If you think that when cops respond to a report of a man threatening people with a firearm they should just wait to respond when said perp is actually reaching for the weapon, then let's hope no one you ever give a **** about becomes a cop.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    It demonstrates that the caller could at least partially distinguish between the two and saw it fit to warn the police -- could it be the caller was recommending not jumping to conclusions? It also demonstrates that the threat, such as it was, was not clear and direct. It's clear the caller read the situation much more accurately than the police did. The dispatcher and officers all displayed incompetence, and the cops showed a clear bias toward confrontation and violence. How can you not hold them responsible?
    No it doesn't. It suggests that most likely either a) the caller was hopeful that it was a toy due mainly to the age of the person or b) they were basing it on the fact that the kid hadn't actually shot anyone with the gun yet and those closest to it (since the guy who called never got that close from what we saw in the video) weren't running from it (although apparently some were speeding up when it was pointed at them).

    No, they did not display incompetence. They did their job. They were dealing with a situation where they did not know what was going on and a kid who was not taught to respect not only guns (even toys) but also police officers and their authority, which they do have.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Why thats just horse****, son. WHat...you think police are going to respond to a call about a man threatening people with a gun nonchalantly? You are being embarrassingly ridiculous.
    Then you're blind. The urgency, danger and rage was brought by the police, not the boy who was sitting calmly before they arrived.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Springfield makes one just like it. It's called the Operator.
    Colt also makes the Rail Gun, but it looks somewhat different than the gun the boy was shot with.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Something tells me you're argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

    There are 1911s with longer than normal slides.
    Yes, there are. Find me a Long Slide with a rail. Sure, may be some custom guns out there like that. But not something you will find every day.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So? That's not what I was asked and answered.
    Did you not watch the vid?

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