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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sure that's it, not that I expect cops to use some ****ing logic.
    What logic is that Officer American? Please tell me how you would feel being challenged by someone with a very realistic gun. That in your mind may very well be a real gun. Knowing that you would like to go home to your family at the end of your shift.
    Explain please.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I probably would not have called 911, at least not right away. I probably would have wandered over, seeming aimless, and took a closer look. Pretty sure from arm's length I could get a good idea whether it was a fake gun or real gun, if nothing else from how he held it (real guns are much heavier). Might have struck up a conversation, asked him "what ya got there kid, airsoft gun?"

    But that's me, I'm like that.
    Sure. The caller could have done things differently. He even sounded almost reluctant calling it in. My point is about the cops. I've been on the pointy end of the stick in situations similar to this (never as a cop). Its unrealistic to expect law enforcement to wait until after a shot is fired to decide to respond. Report of a gun, something tucked into a waistband that looked like a gun, kid ignores commands to hold his hands up and instead reaches for the gun. If it went down as reported...sorry...kids dead because he made a stupid decision.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sure that's it, not that I expect cops to use some ****ing logic.
    Logic? Tell me, you as a LEO tell a suspect to put their hands up and they go and grab what you think is a firearm. Tell me what "logic" dictates?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What logic is that Officer American? Please tell me how you would feel being challenged by someone with a very realistic gun. That in your mind may very well be a real gun. Knowing that you would like to go home to your family at the end of your shift.
    Explain please.

    I was an officer.

    If it was an adult, and I had any doubt, I'd shoot.

    A 12yo, I'd try to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible... yes even if it meant taking a greater risk that I might get shot.



    Call me crazy, but I would have hated myself forever if I'd shot a 12yo with a toy gun. Even if he did act stupid.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    What kind of moron calls 911 to report a kid playing with what he believes to be a toy? I hope that dip**** can sleep at night. I know I wouldn't be able to.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Thank you, I kind of looked for the audio and didn't find it.
    "There's a guy in there with a pistol, you know, it's probably fake, but he's like pointing it at everybody," the caller said, according to audio provided by CNN affiliate WEWS.

    Cleveland Police: Incident where officer shot & killed 12-year-old boy caught on surveillance video - newsnet5.com Cleveland

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I was an officer.

    If it was an adult, and I had any doubt, I'd shoot.

    A 12yo, I'd try to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible... yes even if it meant taking a greater risk that I might get shot.



    Call me crazy, but I would have hated myself forever if I'd shot a 12yo with a toy gun. Even if he did act stupid.
    I would rather hate my self and be alive to provide for my family than be dead.
    Would it suck? Yes. Would I let it ruin my life? No.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Logic? Tell me, you as a LEO tell a suspect to put their hands up and they go and grab what you think is a firearm. Tell me what "logic" dictates?
    How many times was the kid asked? What did the kid say? The dispatcher could be culpable in this too for failing to relay what the caller said.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I was an officer.

    If it was an adult, and I had any doubt, I'd shoot.

    A 12yo, I'd try to give the benefit of the doubt as long as possible... yes even if it meant taking a greater risk that I might get shot.



    Call me crazy, but I would have hated myself forever if I'd shot a 12yo with a toy gun. Even if he did act stupid.
    You were the kind of good cop I respect. I don't find you crazy at all, more like the kind of people we do need as police.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    What's fail is today's societal fear and police responses to kids playing on playgrounds. Jesus we used to bring cap guns to the school playground all the time to play cops and robbers. No one called the police and no kids got shot.
    That was before gun control and an almost daily media dose of gang related gun violence making many freak out upon simply seeing a person (of any age or race) with a gun.
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