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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The responsible party is the douchebag that thought it would be a good idea to take a gun to the park and threaten people with it. Spread that word. Runtelldat. You MIGHT end up preventing stupid people from dying, be it by a cop, a citizen, or even another random thug. But nah...you are going to keep ignoring the disease...

    Yes...it IS you and people like you.
    You mean the "disease" of children playing with BB guns? Why didn't the officers provide first aid? Whose responsible for their actions after the shooting? The only "disease" I see here is an increasingly militarized and confrontational police force, and those like you willing to lie down and submit to it.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    The kid did nothing illegal or all that unusual. Only one crime takes place on that video, and it's not the kid who commits it. You act as thought any doubt at all is grounds for opening fire. I see kids with real guns all the time (sportsman's club, neighbor's house, hunting, walking down the road). By your standards, the police would be justified in shooting any of them at any time, because you just never know when they're gonna draw down on you.
    It is indeed sad that the child's parent)s) did not think it important to teach him propriety and deference.

    I must digress here, to remind that this thread is about a tragedy; not anyone's contrived perception of my standards.

    Let us again return to the scheduled program.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    It is indeed sad that the child's parent)s) did not think it important to teach him propriety and deference.

    I must digress here, to remind that this thread is about a tragedy; not anyone's contrived perception of my standards.

    Let us again return to the scheduled program.

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    I meant, of course, by the standards outlined in your post. I don't know you as a person and can't judge your personal standards. I'd like to point out, however, that you have no idea what that kid's parents taught him or didn't teach him. Why don't we teach the police not to shoot unarmed people?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when my late father was a kid (30s) you could buy handguns in the mail and he and his brother used to get beat up old police revolvers that their father would grind off the firing pin on the hammer for use as toy guns. when my father was in prep school (1940-44) he kept a shotgun and a rifle in his dorm room since he was the national HS skeet champion and on the varsity rifle team. no one ever got shot at those schools. As a naval reserve officer 44-48, he attended first Miami (Ohio) under the Naval V-12 program and then Yale. While at Yale, he was an ensign in the navy and sometimes had to be involved in shore patrol after class So he would go to class in uniform (as did others) with a pistol on his belt which, as an officer, he carried. Again, that was not uncommon and no one ever got shot by students who packed firearms
    Our culture has changed. I can remember being in the 7th grade doing a skit on stage in front of the whole school where I was shooting my air pumped empty BB rifle into the air. It was only a BB rifle but there I was up in front of all these students shooting this rifle and not one teacher flinched.
    But that was then and now is now.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I meant, of course, by the standards outlined in your post. I don't know you as a person and can't judge your personal standards. I'd like to point out, however, that you have no idea what that kid's parents taught him or didn't teach him. Why don't we teach the police not to shoot unarmed people?
    Okay G, I'll opine a little further...

    The boy appeared to be armed and any prudent person would take defensive measures under those circumstances. It is a natural fight or flight response and a person is not able to outrun a bullet... so fight it is. It takes less than a second to present, aim, and fire a sidearm; so, 2.5 seconds is a long time to wait during life or death decision making. At this point with known information I cannot automatically condemn the LEOs.

    As far as the child's teachings... his location and actions demonstrate his lacking awareness of propriety and deference. To whom might those failings be attributed?

    Human's do not learn via osmosis. We must be taught and those teachings must be constantly and consistently stressed during childhood and sometimes beyond.

    The only other thing to add... I encourage those who have never been on the wrong end of any weapon to do a little soul searching in consideration of their own responses when death appears imminent. Many would like to think they'd perform differently but could survival instinct allow that difference ? Most do not and hopefully will never face a situation to know the answer to that question.

    This is a tragedy for which all involved, parents and LE partcularly, will wish for a different outcome.

    G'day G

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Okay G, I'll opine a little further...

    The boy appeared to be armed and any prudent person would take defensive measures under those circumstances. It is a natural fight or flight response and a person is not able to outrun a bullet... so fight it is. It takes less than a second to present, aim, and fire a sidearm; so, 2.5 seconds is a long time to wait during life or death decision making. At this point with known information I cannot automatically condemn the LEOs.

    As far as the child's teachings... his location and actions demonstrate his lacking awareness of propriety and deference. To whom might those failings be attributed?

    Human's do not learn via osmosis. We must be taught and those teachings must be constantly and consistently stressed during childhood and sometimes beyond.

    The only other thing to add... I encourage those who have never been on the wrong end of any weapon to do a little soul searching in consideration of their own responses when death appears imminent. Many would like to think they'd perform differently but could survival instinct allow that difference ? Most do not and hopefully will never face a situation to know the answer to that question.

    This is a tragedy for which all involved, parents and LE partcularly, will wish for a different outcome.

    G'day G

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    A prudent person would have driven up at a safer distance and assessed the situation instead of pulling up within five feet of a person with a gun.
    Two seconds of assessment would have lead one to the realization that this was just a child, and given the opportunity to defuse the situation.

    It's a ****ing open carry state. Do cops really just get to shoot everyone with a gun on them?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A prudent person would have driven up at a safer distance and assessed the situation instead of pulling up within five feet of a person with a gun.
    Two seconds of assessment would have lead one to the realization that this was just a child, and given the opportunity to defuse the situation.

    It's a ****ing open carry state. Do cops really just get to shoot everyone with a gun on them?


    wow just .... wow.



    sell it somewhere else... I ain't buying or biting on such inanity

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    You mean the "disease" of children playing with BB guns? Why didn't the officers provide first aid? Whose responsible for their actions after the shooting? The only "disease" I see here is an increasingly militarized and confrontational police force, and those like you willing to lie down and submit to it.
    Disease of stup[id people doing stupid things. As much as it pains you to admit it, that 12 year old was INTENTIONALLY threatening people with what specifically purchased because it looked real so he could frighten people. Ask grandma. At the end of the day...the disease is stupid people doing stupid things. And because of people like you, its going to keep happening.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Disease of stup[id people doing stupid things. As much as it pains you to admit it, that 12 year old was INTENTIONALLY threatening people with what specifically purchased because it looked real so he could frighten people. Ask grandma. At the end of the day...the disease is stupid people doing stupid things. And because of people like you, its going to keep happening.
    you mean like the cop that stupidly shot the 12 year old, and then stupidly did not administer first aid?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    you mean like the cop that stupidly shot the 12 year old, and then stupidly did not administer first aid?


    No...like the kid who carried a to gun to the park with the intent to scare people, even after being told it was a stupid idea by his friend. You know...the same kid that went to pull the weapon when the cops pulled up.

    Geeeeeeeeeezus....you people.

    Lord I hope you never had/have kids. "You go right ahead and play in traffic and if anyone hits you, we'll blame THEM!"

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