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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

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    Some BB guns do, most do not. Most airsoft guns do. I don't understand why this is arguable.
    So you agree that he may have had very realistic looking "toy" gun.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

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    So you agree that he may have had very realistic looking "toy" gun.
    Uhm, yeah. I posted a picture of the gun he had. It looks exactly like a 1911.

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    This is the gun Tamir Rice was holding. It looks exactly like a 1911A1 .45 acp, which is a very serious handgun. If someone pointed that at me, I'd shoot them.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Uhm, yeah. I posted a picture of the gun he had. It looks exactly like a 1911.
    Long slide.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

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    Long slide.
    Something tells me you're argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

    There are 1911s with longer than normal slides.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Something tells me you're argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

    There are 1911s with longer than normal slides.
    Yes, and that is a Long Slide replica. But I have never seen a Long Slide from either Colt or AMT with a rail ahead of the trigger guard. Don't know how that is argumentative.
    In fact, I would probably have hesitated firing if I got a quick look at the profile of the gun knowing that in real life that gun don't exist.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yes, and that is a Long Slide replica. But I have never seen a Long Slide from either Colt or AMT with a rail ahead of the trigger guard. Don't know how that is argumentative.
    In fact, I would probably have hesitated firing if I got a quick look at the profile of the gun knowing that in real life that gun don't exist.
    Springfield makes one just like it. It's called the Operator.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Here's the video....

    Study long, study wrong. Good shoot. Sad, but good.

    Read 'em and weep.... seriously.


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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Here's the video....

    Study long, study wrong. Good shoot. Sad, but good.

    Read 'em and weep.... seriously.

    Absolutely NOT a good shoot. Two seconds pass between the time police arrive until the time he is down. The police have to make judgment calls, true. But they have to be held accountable for bad calls. They didn't have time to properly assess the situation or the threat. Police are paid to put themselves in harm's way and protect people like this boy; not fire first based on assumptions. Someone needs to made accountable for this child's death.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    So I didn't read through all 40 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been brought up, but am I the only one that thinks it strange that two cops show up in a car to investigate a "person with a gun", why would they approach within just a few feet and jump out of the car? I mean, if it was a kid with a gun that wanted to shoot, didn't the police inject themselves right into an incredibly dangerous situation? Think about how vulnerable the rookie cop was while trying to exit the car.

    Shouldn't they have approached at a greater distance where they could have attempted communication with the suspect in order to gather greater intelligence and assess the situation given that he wasn't threading anyone and no one appeared to be in his immediate vicinity?

    In my opinion the mistake seems to have been made by the veteran officer who put his partner in incredible danger, face to face, with a person who could have had a gun with violent intent.

    The gun, real or not, orange tipped or not, the boy's actions are all irrelevant. The mistake was diving into such a potentially dangerous situation rather than approaching from a reasonable distance (maybe the street in the video?) where both the officers would have been reasonably safe and able to talk the the person rather than shoot first and ask questions later....

    Unbelievable.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    So I didn't read through all 40 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been brought up, but am I the only one that thinks it strange that two cops show up in a car to investigate a "person with a gun", why would they approach within just a few feet and jump out of the car? I mean, if it was a kid with a gun that wanted to shoot, didn't the police inject themselves right into an incredibly dangerous situation?

    Shouldn't they have approached at a greater distance where they could have attempted communication with the suspect in order to gather greater intelligence and assess the situation given that he wasn't threading anyone and no one appeared to be in his immediate vicinity?

    In my opinion the mistake seems to have been made by the veteran officer who put his partner in incredible danger, face to face, with a person who could have had a gun with violent intent.

    Unbelievable.
    If this is police protocol, then that alone is cause for protest. I want to know that police departments are responding to this rash of shootings with new protocols and new prevention measures. This "the cops did nothing wrong" that some are taking is horribly irresponsible.

    Let's keep in mind too that carrying a registered firearm is LEGAL in the state of Ohio. We need to change this confrontational approach to policing.

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