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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Airsoft isn't going to hurt anyone, unless maybe you hit them in the eye.


    Granted, I've seen airsoft guns hard to tell from the real deal.


    It's understandable... but it is a shame this happened.
    I'm not saying an airsoft would, I'm saying that the police thought it was a REAL weapon and reacted as such.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    By the time I was 12, I had been through an NRA safety course and had my own real guns.
    Great! So this kid didn't and apparently had a fake gun.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I heard the audio. The 911 caller did not say it APPEARED to be fake. What he said was I dont know...its probably fake. He described it as a pistol and was concerned enough about the incident (appearance of the weapon, behavior of the 12 year old, etc) to call 911. When the police arrived on scene, they knew the basics...young kid pointing a pistol at people. They told him to raise his hands. Instead of raising his hands, he is reported to have gone for the toy gun. If that is what happened, then its tragic, but it is a good shoot.


    I probably would not have called 911, at least not right away. I probably would have wandered over, seeming aimless, and took a closer look. Pretty sure from arm's length I could get a good idea whether it was a fake gun or real gun, if nothing else from how he held it (real guns are much heavier). Might have struck up a conversation, asked him "what ya got there kid, airsoft gun?"

    But that's me, I'm like that.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep, agree with you there. Unfortunately the stupidity of the 12 year old cost him his life.
    The question is whether it will also cost many other folks their lives/property due to race riots. The media seem far too quick to egg that nonsense on. This has NOTHING to due with race yet that is the theme (theory? implication?) put forth by the media.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I blame both. A 12 year old doesn't know you shouldn't grab for something while the police tell you to put your hands up?

    I'll bet you a lot of parents, probably most, have not specifically told their 12yo "If the police tell you to put your hands up and you do anything other than that, they will shoot you dead."


    I'm a CAREFUL parent, and constantly teaching my son real-world-practical stuff from when he could walk.... and I'm not positive whether I had that conversation with him before he was 12.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I probably would not have called 911, at least not right away. I probably would have wandered over, seeming aimless, and took a closer look. Pretty sure from arm's length I could get a good idea whether it was a fake gun or real gun, if nothing else from how he held it (real guns are much heavier). Might have struck up a conversation, asked him "what ya got there kid, airsoft gun?"

    But that's me, I'm like that.
    I'm beginning to think there are some LEO's out there that don't think their careers are complete unless they've dropped a perp.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Great! So this kid didn't and apparently had a fake gun.
    And no supervision or instructions from his parents on how not act like an idiot.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm beginning to think there are some LEO's out there that don't think their careers are complete unless they've dropped a perp.
    Like I said earlier. Cop hate. You have it.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I heard the audio. The 911 caller did not say it APPEARED to be fake. What he said was I dont know...its probably fake. He described it as a pistol and was concerned enough about the incident (appearance of the weapon, behavior of the 12 year old, etc) to call 911. When the police arrived on scene, they knew the basics...young kid pointing a pistol at people. They told him to raise his hands. Instead of raising his hands, he is reported to have gone for the toy gun. If that is what happened, then its tragic, but it is a good shoot.
    Thank you, I kind of looked for the audio and didn't find it.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Like I said earlier. Cop hate. You have it.
    Sure that's it, not that I expect cops to use some ****ing logic.
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