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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Interesting that none of your above descriptions contain things like:

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    Or anything positive at all.
    I've known "good" kids that have done bad things. Why does that matter?

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Why is any of this important?
    you're kidding right? Living near Baltimore for 20 years, I've seen some downright scary 12 year olds....
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This is the gun Tamir Rice was holding. It looks exactly like a 1911A1 .45 acp, which is a very serious handgun. If someone pointed that at me, I'd shoot them.

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    What if they didn't point it at you? You only saw they were carrying it, would you wait until there was an actual threat, like it actually being pointed at you before shooting?
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What if they didn't point it at you? You only saw they were carrying it, would you wait until there was an actual threat, like it actually being pointed at you before shooting?
    Nope, just like in the old western movies, the act of reaching to draw the gun is the threat - once it is fully drawn and aimed it is generally too late to react (and live).
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Do you realize that a 3D printer can produce an effective hand gun that is made out of plastic, or wood or just about any substance you want. That doesn't look like a gun, either, and is just as lethal? What if the cop assumed the dispatcher was correct when said dispatcher reported the gun was a toy but it wasn't? Could the fatality be the cop instead? Was the possibly 'lethal' gun pointed at the officer? How much time did the cop have to react? Did the child have any priors? Was the child threatening other children on the playground? Haven't you heard of other incidences of gun fatalities on, for example, school grounds and playgrounds perpetrated by children? Heard of other children in different but similar incidents killing police officers?

    The only thing: could the cop have shot the fake gun out of the hand of the child? Shot the leg? Somehow incapacitate the child to prevent him from shooting the cop with the presumed real gun? Would most cops have the skills to make that shot under those circumstances? Enough time to taser the child?

    This isn't some crazy game of chicken. It's a life and death situation for cops. Minorities should learn this. Unfortunately, they're too busy attempting to display their anger at cops to think... Dopes.. possibly dead dopes.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Do you realize that a 3D printer can produce an effective hand gun that is made out of plastic, or wood or just about any substance you want. That doesn't look like a gun, either, and is just as lethal? What if the cop assumed the dispatcher was correct when said dispatcher reported the gun was a toy but it wasn't? Could the fatality be a dead cop instead? Was the possibly 'lethal' gun pointed at the officer? How much time did the cop have to react? Did the child have any priors? Was the child threatening other children on the playground? Haven't you heard of other incidences of gun fatalities on, for example, school grounds and playgrounds perpetrated by children? Other children in different incidents have killed police officers.

    The only thing: could the cop have shot the fake gun out of the hand of the child? Shot the leg? Somehow incapacitate the child to prevent him from shooting the cop with the presumed real gun? Would most cops have the skills to make that shot under those circumstances? Enough time to taser the child?
    You never ever aim for limbs or crap like that seen in movies and on TV. Center mass. Otherwise you are more likely to shoot someone else than the person you were aiming for, especially in a stressful situation.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    The only thing: could the cop have shot the fake gun out of the hand of the child? Shot the leg? Somehow incapacitate the child to prevent him from shooting the cop with the presumed real gun? Would most cops have the skills to make that shot under those circumstances? Enough time to taser the child?
    That's all stuff in the movies. You are taught that when you draw your weapon you better be prepared to fire and kill the person you are aiming at. Center mass, no bull**** leg, arm etc. hit. Center mass.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And most of our toy guns did NOT have orange safety tips either.
    when my late father was a kid (30s) you could buy handguns in the mail and he and his brother used to get beat up old police revolvers that their father would grind off the firing pin on the hammer for use as toy guns. when my father was in prep school (1940-44) he kept a shotgun and a rifle in his dorm room since he was the national HS skeet champion and on the varsity rifle team. no one ever got shot at those schools. As a naval reserve officer 44-48, he attended first Miami (Ohio) under the Naval V-12 program and then Yale. While at Yale, he was an ensign in the navy and sometimes had to be involved in shore patrol after class So he would go to class in uniform (as did others) with a pistol on his belt which, as an officer, he carried. Again, that was not uncommon and no one ever got shot by students who packed firearms



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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    airsoft and bb are not the same thing.
    Not entirely different though. An airsoft projectile to the eye can cause damage.

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