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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

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    The grand jury and I disagree
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I'm sure. My point however is that if you come across a kid with a gun it's much more likely to be a toy or a BB gun instead of the real thing.
    Again it's all about location, location, location. I've been to a few places here in the US where that's just a laughable statement. The truth is, even in suburbia these days, you just don't know.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Btw, what else do we know about this 12 year old. Was he wearing gang colors? Was he dressed like a hoodlum, or just the area's standard 12 year old? Does he have a record? Is he a gang member? How about his family, gang members? Or just ordinary folks for that area?

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Btw, what else do we know about this 12 year old. Was he wearing gang colors? Was he dressed like a hoodlum, or just the area's standard 12 year old? Does he have a record? Is he a gang member? How about his family, gang members? Or just ordinary folks for that area?
    Interesting that none of your above descriptions contain things like:

    Good kid
    Honor roll
    Respectful
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    Or anything positive at all.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Btw, what else do we know about this 12 year old. Was he wearing gang colors? Was he dressed like a hoodlum, or just the area's standard 12 year old? Does he have a record? Is he a gang member? How about his family, gang members? Or just ordinary folks for that area?
    Why is any of this important?
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Why is any of this important?
    We were discussing the reactions of 12 year olds and their likelihood to have a real high velocity gun. Tettsou, same answer.

    Also, on a slightly different note, did his parents allow him to have that, to remove the orange safety tip (Airsoft doesn't have to put them on by law but they ship with them installed regardless)? Is this something they considered okay for him to be play out in the public with?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well the article I read said he had an airsoft gun. If that is correct he had a BB gun, than that isn't a toy and the cops were even more justified to shoot after he grabbed it.
    airsoft and bb are not the same thing.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    IMO Ferguson was a good shooting but I am not so sure about this one. It will be interesting to see what facts come out here.



    "officers responded to a 911 call about someone waving what the caller described as a “probably fake” gun at a playground.

    Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said one officer fired twice after the boy pulled the fake weapon — which was lacking the orange safety indicator usually found on the muzzle — from his waistband but had not pointed it at police. The boy did not make any verbal threats, but grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands, Deputy Chief Tomba said.

    “That’s when the officer fired,” he said.

    Read more at Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police - Toledo Blade
    This is the gun Tamir Rice was holding. It looks exactly like a 1911A1 .45 acp, which is a very serious handgun. If someone pointed that at me, I'd shoot them.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Guess they grow them bigger where you live.

    And I agree with you fwiw. A real threat needs to be dealt with. If the kid pointed the gun at the cops We wouldn't be having this discussion but according to what I read that's not the case.

    Like I said elsewhere if this was 50 years ago I'm betting the ending would have been different.
    Maybe

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    airsoft and bb are not the same thing.
    I never said they were.

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