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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It was in the waist band of his pants concealed by his shirt... so much for the melodramatics though.
    Where are you finding this? The source please. And it so obviously wasn't concealed, otherwise there would have never been a 911 call.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Heard about this on the radio last night.

    Sounds like a sucky situation all around - I bet the cop is going to be a long time dealing with having shot a kid with a toy gun, even if he did think it was real at the time.

    Of course I could be wrong about that, but at first glance...
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I disagree... and it was not a real gun and an innocent kid was shot and killed. Why is this not being acknowledged and why are we hearing, "what if"?
    Again, the cops had no way to know whether the gun shot BB's or .45 caliber bullets.

    No one is saying that Tamir was guilty of any crime. He just did something a little dumb, like all of us have. And as occasionally happens, it had terrible consequences.

    That said, I'm not sure what policies we could implement to avoid this situation, without getting cops shot left and right. (Can you imagine the consequences, if cops were required to hesitate every time they saw a gun painted neon yellow?) It's also a completely separate from issues like abuse and corruption.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Post some bigoted comments of mine about race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

    Man up. Don't bitch out kid...
    YOUR source...
    big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\
    : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group).

    You are a bigot. X posted several comments from additional threads which clearly demonstrate your bigotry and prejudice. But...you have friends that are cops.

    Your words. Your source and definitions.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post


    The same exact minute I challenge you, you run away... LOL
    run away...drive on an hour and a half commute...same thing...

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    How long do you think it takes to draw pistol through no retention? I carry my pistol in a no retention holster on my waistband I'm certain I could draw faster than a police officer can through a duty holster. You're talking about actions which happen in fractions of a second. In the 1980s in Miami a Hispanic police officer name Louis Alvarez was brought up on charges for shooting a black teenager who had a real pistol in his waistband. The defense attorney Roy black brought a man named Massad Ayoob as an expert witness and massad did a demonstration for the jury where he showed that the pistol could be drawn and fired in less than half a second. Alvarez was acquitted
    300 million people in America and how many times do cops get drawn on? I am all for police safety but too many innocent people are being killed. This is a serious and real issue that needs to be addressed... not just brushed off as a "good shoot".
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    YOUR source...
    big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\
    : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group).

    You are a bigot. X posted several comments from additional threads which clearly demonstrate your bigotry and prejudice. But...you have friends that are cops.
    By that retarded context everybody is a bigot. At the very least you are a bigot against bigots. That said, I am not against all cops. Your attempt to paint me such is idiotic and if this is all you have, pathetic attempts to demean others then good for you. I will be moving on to others that actually debate though...

    Your words. Your source and definitions.
    That you clearly are incapable of understanding...

    run away...drive on an hour and a half commute...same thing
    Sure... good excuse, coward who still hasn't manned up.

    You probably spent that hour looking for and FAILING to find actual bigoted remarks by me...
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Again, the cops had no way to know whether the gun shot BB's or .45 caliber bullets.

    No one is saying that Tamir was guilty of any crime. He just did something a little dumb, like all of us have. And as occasionally happens, it had terrible consequences.

    That said, I'm not sure what policies we could implement to avoid this situation, without getting cops shot left and right. (Can you imagine the consequences, if cops were required to hesitate every time they saw a gun painted neon yellow?) It's also a completely separate from issues like abuse and corruption.
    I don't know what the answer is either but too many innocent people are being shot by police... that is a fact.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Where are you finding this? The source please. And it so obviously wasn't concealed, otherwise there would have never been a 911 call.
    From the article...

    "Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said one officer fired twice after the boy pulled the fake weapon — which was lacking the orange safety indicator usually found on the muzzle — from his waistband but had not pointed it at police. The boy did not make any verbal threats, but grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands, Deputy Chief Tomba said."

    Read more at Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police - Toledo Blade

    Like I said, he could have just been getting it to show that it was not a real gun... the officer fired though. This officer shooting is a difficult one, in all honesty. After thinking about it I am not sure that he did the wrong thing... this is just happening too often and police shootings need to be addressed.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, what if. Those policies and procedures the cops were following are put in place by folks who have had years of on the job experience. That the gun wasn't a real high velocity weapon is just a stroke of luck for the surrounding public. Acknowledge that.
    I acknowledge that it was fortunate though I don't know why that is relevant. I took a squirt gun to the park with my kids and it was a stroke of luck for the surrounding public that I didn't have a real gun and started plugging people as well... ummm, yeah. Not having something bad is not relevant when you don't have something bad. It would be a stroke of luck if he had a real gun but nobody got hurt.

    Now, it was not a real gun and an innocent kid was shot and killed. Acknowledged?
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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