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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

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    It is not about prejudice just because you claim that it is... sorry, I have not condemned ALL cops...



    Nope... but aren't you the arrogant and disrespectful one.
    Of COURSE You do. You use your obvious hatred of cops to prejudge THIS incident and the officers. You are a bigot. Its OK...its a free country. You have the right to be even that.

    Edit added: Arrogant...yeah...I have been accused of that before...sure.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So, alright then we've established that the witnesses who called it all in realized there was a possibility that it was fake and he was wrong. The police arrived at a playground, with kids playing and encountered this 12 year old. What about that scenario seemed out of place? Do kids not bring toy guns to a playground? Did they see the gun being pulled out and quickly determined it wasn't real? What specifically warranted them to use aggressive force towards someone who wasn't being verbal or aggressive towards them?
    So, with all your years of law enforcement training and experience, can you say without a doubt that you would have reacted differently?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Read the police comments. They arrived on the scene, witnessed him putting the gun in his waistband. They approached him and ordered him to raise his hands. He instead raised his shirt and reached for the weapon tucked into his waistband. The officer then fired two shots.

    Thats the report. If thats how it went down, there is no question it is a good shoot.
    "If that's how it went down"? Ever heard of the term "self-serving"?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

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    Can YOU tell that is a 'fake' gun? Be honest. And no...he didnt say it LOOKED fake.
    What I can and can't tell is irrelevant. The suggestion was made and I believe the cops didn't take it into consideration at worst and at best it was never relayed to them. A fake gun imitation in a playground? That doesn't like a scenario that would too far fetched in any American playground. Hell, I remember when toy guns didn't even have those orange tips and people weren't afraid of being shot because of it. What changed? Has there been a spike in police officer deaths by 12 year olds?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    I seriously doubt anyone could punish this cop any more than he will punish himself.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What I can and can't tell is irrelevant. The suggestion was made and I believe the cops didn't take it into consideration at worst and at best it was never relayed to them. A fake gun imitation in a playground? That doesn't like a scenario that would too far fetched in any American playground. Hell, I remember when toy guns didn't even have those orange tips and people weren't afraid of being shot because of it. What changed? Has there been a spike in police officer deaths by 12 year olds?
    The caller did NOT say it 'looked' fake, he said it was 'probably'. Thats a judgment assessment. He had no way of knowing, any more so than YOU, nor any more so than the responding officers. They saw the gun. You wont admit what is an obvious fact. There is NO WAY 'you' could look at that from ANY distance and determine it to be fake. You at least have the integrity to not lie about that. I applaud you for it.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of COURSE You do. You use your obvious hatred of cops to prejudge THIS incident and the officers. You are a bigot. Its OK...its a free country. You have the right to be even that.

    Edit added: Arrogant...yeah...I have been accused of that before...sure.
    Full Definition of BIGOT
    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


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    Not only are you using it out of context it doesn't even apply to me for the first part. I don't expect that you will be able to understand the nuances but will you please at least try?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They saw the gun. .
    WRONG. They did not because it WAS NOT A GUN.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, with all your years of law enforcement training and experience, can you say without a doubt that you would have reacted differently?
    Why do my years of law enforcement mean anything? There isn't anybody here outside of Goshin who has any law enforcement experience. Do you? Can you discuss the issue without being a law enforcement agent? What else can we use your ridiculous standard for? Can we exclude you from conversations on net neutrality because of your status as a blue collar worker and general ignorance of technology? Move along apdst, you've got nothing to argue here.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    "If that's how it went down"? Ever heard of the term "self-serving"?
    Sure. And you will note from the VERY first time I posted in this...IF that is how it went down then it is a good shoot. Right now...thats all we know. Thats all YOU know.

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