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Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

Re: The next Ferguson ?

Okay G, I'll opine a little further...

The boy appeared to be armed and any prudent person would take defensive measures under those circumstances. It is a natural fight or flight response and a person is not able to outrun a bullet... so fight it is. It takes less than a second to present, aim, and fire a sidearm; so, 2.5 seconds is a long time to wait during life or death decision making. At this point with known information I cannot automatically condemn the LEOs.

As far as the child's teachings... his location and actions demonstrate his lacking awareness of propriety and deference. To whom might those failings be attributed?

Human's do not learn via osmosis. We must be taught and those teachings must be constantly and consistently stressed during childhood and sometimes beyond.

The only other thing to add... I encourage those who have never been on the wrong end of any weapon to do a little soul searching in consideration of their own responses when death appears imminent. Many would like to think they'd perform differently but could survival instinct allow that difference ? Most do not and hopefully will never face a situation to know the answer to that question.

This is a tragedy for which all involved, parents and LE partcularly, will wish for a different outcome.

G'day G

Thom Paine

A prudent person would have driven up at a safer distance and assessed the situation instead of pulling up within five feet of a person with a gun.
Two seconds of assessment would have lead one to the realization that this was just a child, and given the opportunity to defuse the situation.

It's a ****ing open carry state. Do cops really just get to shoot everyone with a gun on them?
 
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A prudent person would have driven up at a safer distance and assessed the situation instead of pulling up within five feet of a person with a gun.
Two seconds of assessment would have lead one to the realization that this was just a child, and given the opportunity to defuse the situation.

It's a ****ing open carry state. Do cops really just get to shoot everyone with a gun on them?


wow just .... wow. :roll:

:screwy:thinking

sell it somewhere else... I ain't buying or biting on such inanity

Adieu D

Thom Paine
 
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You mean the "disease" of children playing with BB guns? Why didn't the officers provide first aid? Whose responsible for their actions after the shooting? The only "disease" I see here is an increasingly militarized and confrontational police force, and those like you willing to lie down and submit to it.
Disease of stup[id people doing stupid things. As much as it pains you to admit it, that 12 year old was INTENTIONALLY threatening people with what specifically purchased because it looked real so he could frighten people. Ask grandma. At the end of the day...the disease is stupid people doing stupid things. And because of people like you, its going to keep happening.
 
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Disease of stup[id people doing stupid things. As much as it pains you to admit it, that 12 year old was INTENTIONALLY threatening people with what specifically purchased because it looked real so he could frighten people. Ask grandma. At the end of the day...the disease is stupid people doing stupid things. And because of people like you, its going to keep happening.

you mean like the cop that stupidly shot the 12 year old, and then stupidly did not administer first aid?
 
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you mean like the cop that stupidly shot the 12 year old, and then stupidly did not administer first aid?
:lamo

No...like the kid who carried a to gun to the park with the intent to scare people, even after being told it was a stupid idea by his friend. You know...the same kid that went to pull the weapon when the cops pulled up.

Geeeeeeeeeezus....you people.

Lord I hope you never had/have kids. "You go right ahead and play in traffic and if anyone hits you, we'll blame THEM!"

FM
 
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Disease of stup[id people doing stupid things. As much as it pains you to admit it, that 12 year old was INTENTIONALLY threatening people with what specifically purchased because it looked real so he could frighten people. Ask grandma. At the end of the day...the disease is stupid people doing stupid things. And because of people like you, its going to keep happening.

No one was being threatened when the police arrived. The pellet gun was tucked away. The kid was moving nonchalantly, making no aggressive gestures. All the aggression, all the urgency, all the commotion, all the confusion is caused by the way the police storm the scene. Most likely, the kids was trying to display for the officers that it wasn't a real gun. Unlikely he intended to draw down on the cops with a pellet gun, although its moot, as the gun never left his pants.

How can you defend such rash actions by civil authority figures?
 
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No one was being threatened when the police arrived. The pellet gun was tucked away. The kid was moving nonchalantly, making no aggressive gestures. All the aggression, all the urgency, all the commotion, all the confusion is caused by the way the police storm the scene. Most likely, the kids was trying to display for the officers that it wasn't a real gun. Unlikely he intended to draw down on the cops with a pellet gun, although its moot, as the gun never left his pants.

How can you defend such rash actions by civil authority figures?

You can't, cops suck.
 
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Message...dont do stupid ****. IF you have kids, teach them that message. If you wont, have someone that actually gives a **** about them teach that message.

You don't find it disturbing that the cops lied about what happened? The report said he was told to drop it 3 times. When did that happen?

And what about the guy who was shot in Walmart? Did he **** up too?
 
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The kid did nothing illegal or all that unusual. Only one crime takes place on that video, and it's not the kid who commits it.

You are completely clueless.
 
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No one was being threatened when the police arrived. The pellet gun was tucked away. The kid was moving nonchalantly, making no aggressive gestures. All the aggression, all the urgency, all the commotion, all the confusion is caused by the way the police storm the scene. Most likely, the kids was trying to display for the officers that it wasn't a real gun. Unlikely he intended to draw down on the cops with a pellet gun, although its moot, as the gun never left his pants.

How can you defend such rash actions by civil authority figures?

Police responded to a report of a man threatening people with a gun. When they arrive (a report of an individual threatening people with a gun implies a need for a sense of urgency) the individual with the gun walks towards them, raises his short and reaches for the gun. The police responded exactly how they should have.
 
You don't find it disturbing that the cops lied about what happened? The report said he was told to drop it 3 times. When did that happen?

And what about the guy who was shot in Walmart? Did he **** up too?

Don't know. They claim the cop shouted it 3 times. How long does it take to shout drop it 3 times? Frankly...I don't care. Going with what is and was known, there was 'a guy' threatening people with a gun and when cops arrived, the guy with the gun walked towards the cops and reached for the gun. That's enough for me.
 
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Police responded to a report of a man threatening people with a gun. When they arrive (a report of an individual threatening people with a gun implies a need for a sense of urgency) the individual with the gun walks towards them, raises his short and reaches for the gun. The police responded exactly how they should have.
That's what it appears to me happened as well...but it still ****ing sucks for all involved.

I wonder how that guy who called 911 feels?
 
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Police responded to a report of a man threatening people with a gun. When they arrive (a report of an individual threatening people with a gun implies a need for a sense of urgency) the individual with the gun walks towards them, raises his short and reaches for the gun. The police responded exactly how they should have.

Who was being threatened when the cops arrived? Your mythologizing of the police is blinding you to reality.
 
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That's what it appears to me happened as well...but it still ****ing sucks for all involved.

I wonder how that guy who called 911 feels?
He probably feels like a good citizen. There was a guy walking around in a park pointing a gun at people and threatening him. He did what he was supposed to do. I hope he feels good about it.

I am not for a second saying it isnt a tragic situation. Just sayin...it is a situation that happens all too often and could be avoided by people not doing stupid things.
 
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Who was being threatened when the cops arrived? Your mythologizing of the police is blinding you to reality.
Why thats just horse****, son. WHat...you think police are going to respond to a call about a man threatening people with a gun nonchalantly? You are being embarrassingly ridiculous.
 
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Why thats just horse****, son. WHat...you think police are going to respond to a call about a man threatening people with a gun nonchalantly? You are being embarrassingly ridiculous.

Even the caller knew the gun was a toy. Why is a pedestrian have greater situational awareness than the police?
 
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He probably feels like a good citizen. There was a guy walking around in a park pointing a gun at people and threatening him. He did what he was supposed to do. I hope he feels good about it.

I am not for a second saying it isnt a tragic situation. Just sayin...it is a situation that happens all too often and could be avoided by people not doing stupid things.
Yeah but he might also think "**** if I had realized the gun was fake that kid might still be alive".

People are not always rational.
 
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Yeah but he might also think "**** if I had realized the gun was fake that kid might still be alive".

People are not always rational.
There is absolutely no way anyone looking at the gun from more than a few feet away could realize that. It is by design a replica MEANT to look real. Grandma even said his reason for buying it was to scare the people that were bullying him. I'll take her at her word that she didnt know HE was using it to bully others.
 
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Even the caller knew the gun was a toy. Why is a pedestrian have greater situational awareness than the police?
You obviously didnt listen to the audio. He assumed it was 'probably' not a real gun...he didnt KNOW it was a toy. If you say you can look at that gun and distinguish it from a real gun, you are a liar.
 
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Even the caller knew the gun was a toy. Why is a pedestrian have greater situational awareness than the police?

Actually the caller didn't know, but more importantly, that information was not passed to the officers that the caller thought it might be a toy gun.
 
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Actually the caller didn't know, but more importantly, that information was not passed to the officers that the caller thought it might be a toy gun.

It demonstrates that the caller could at least partially distinguish between the two and saw it fit to warn the police -- could it be the caller was recommending not jumping to conclusions? It also demonstrates that the threat, such as it was, was not clear and direct. It's clear the caller read the situation much more accurately than the police did. The dispatcher and officers all displayed incompetence, and the cops showed a clear bias toward confrontation and violence. How can you not hold them responsible?
 
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You obviously didnt listen to the audio. He assumed it was 'probably' not a real gun...he didnt KNOW it was a toy. If you say you can look at that gun and distinguish it from a real gun, you are a liar.

The caller could -- at least enough to mention it directly during his emergency call. Why didn't the dispatcher pass that along? Why couldn't the officers read the situation as well as a pedestrian could? Why did the officers not administer first aid after the shooting? Do you have answers to any of these questions?
 
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It demonstrates that the caller could at least partially distinguish between the two and saw it fit to warn the police -- could it be the caller was recommending not jumping to conclusions? It also demonstrates that the threat, such as it was, was not clear and direct. It's clear the caller read the situation much more accurately than the police did. The dispatcher and officers all displayed incompetence, and the cops showed a clear bias toward confrontation and violence. How can you not hold them responsible?

How exactly does it "demonstrate" this?
 
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The caller could -- at least enough to mention it directly during his emergency call. Why didn't the dispatcher pass that along? Why couldn't the officers read the situation as well as a pedestrian could? Why did the officers not administer first aid after the shooting? Do you have answers to any of these questions?

Don't you know the police are always right?
 
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