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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    What's fail is today's societal fear and police responses to kids playing on playgrounds. Jesus we used to bring cap guns to the school playground all the time to play cops and robbers. No one called the police and no kids got shot.
    Very good point!

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Another fail was that it seems the dispatcher was told multiples times it appeared to be a fake gun and that was not relayed to the police.
    Well it appears the kid reached for it like it was real, so the cops responded.

    I can see this as happening the other way where the gun is real and a cop get killed. With no public outrage to boot.

    Sad situation definitely, but sorry the fail is on the kid.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    What's fail is today's societal fear and police responses to kids playing on playgrounds. Jesus we used to bring cap guns to the school playground all the time to play cops and robbers. No one called the police and no kids got shot.
    Yes and now kids are bringing REAL guns to the playground and even doing gang activity, dealing drugs, and doing assaults as well. Yes, times have changed haven't they?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well it appears the kid reached for it like it was real, so the cops responded.

    I can see this as happening the other way where the gun is real and a cop get killed. With no public outrage to boot.

    Sad situation definitely, but sorry the fail is on the kid.
    The kid was 12 and the police officer was a little quick on the trigger.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I doubt this will be a "Ferguson" response.

    The two parts in bold pretty much make this a valid shooting. The kid did a stupid thing and unfortunately, it cost him his life. I would also like to find out why the kid had a fake gun without the orange safety indicator on in the first place. Also, why didn't the parents teach their kid to not do such an idiotic thing like reach for something after the cops tell you to put your hands up?

    So much fail on the kid and the parents its unreal. In the words of Walter the puppet (Jeff Dunham), "Dumbasses".
    It is not a fact that BB/pellet guns have ornage tips - they are not toys like the air soft guns.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    The kid was 12 and the police officer was a little quick on the trigger.
    Yes the kid was 12 meaning he should have known better than to have a replica of a gun without any safety markings on it and grab said replica after police are telling you to put your hands up.

    Those two things add up to a dumb kid getting shot.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    What's fail is today's societal fear and police responses to kids playing on playgrounds. Jesus we used to bring cap guns to the school playground all the time to play cops and robbers. No one called the police and no kids got shot.
    Teachers and parents werent scared little children themselves back then.
    Last edited by CRUE CAB; 11-24-14 at 11:00 AM.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is not a fact that BB/pellet guns have ornage tips - they are not toys like the air soft guns.

    BB gun:
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    S&W M&P 40 Airsoft CO2 Metal Gun DE - M&P 40 CO2 Airsoft Gun - AirSplat.com - AirSoft Gun Warehouse
    Well the article I read said he had an airsoft gun. If that is correct he had a BB gun, than that isn't a toy and the cops were even more justified to shoot after he grabbed it.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Another fail was that it seems the dispatcher was told multiples times it appeared to be a fake gun and that was not relayed to the police.
    I heard the audio. The 911 caller did not say it APPEARED to be fake. What he said was I dont know...its probably fake. He described it as a pistol and was concerned enough about the incident (appearance of the weapon, behavior of the 12 year old, etc) to call 911. When the police arrived on scene, they knew the basics...young kid pointing a pistol at people. They told him to raise his hands. Instead of raising his hands, he is reported to have gone for the toy gun. If that is what happened, then its tragic, but it is a good shoot.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    What's fail is today's societal fear and police responses to kids playing on playgrounds. Jesus we used to bring cap guns to the school playground all the time to play cops and robbers. No one called the police and no kids got shot.

    And most of our toy guns did NOT have orange safety tips either.

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