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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you would prefer to play with words I suppose cops could use a term like legit shoot as opposed to 'good shoot'. I'm just not all that delicate when it comes to things.

    You can choose to believe what you want. You find it more realistic that a cop rolled up to a 12 year old and blasted him for no good reason other than the sheer joy of killing a kid as opposed to the kid going for the gun for whatever reason......meh.
    Do you believe the 12 year old boy drew on the cop with a BB gun?
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Do you believe the 12 year old boy drew on the cop with a BB gun?
    No idea. I wasnt there. Sounds like the kid wasnt the brightest bulb in the box. Until we know otherwise, I'll wait and see rather than play Roger Rabbit and just "REFUSE to see it. I DONT believe it. I WONT believe it."

    There were plenty of witnesses at the park. We'll find out soon enough.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I believe that the cop probably made a mistake and is looking to cover it up...
    Funny you 'believe' something that you havent the first clue about. But all good, man. 'Believe' what you want.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Funny you 'believe' something that you havent the first clue about. But all good, man. 'Believe' what you want.
    ... that is just a saying and you can play with it all you like little buddy. What probably happened is that he made a mistake and is attempting to cover it up. Kids don't go for toy guns when presented with cops with real guns unless they have a mental disorder. The entire notion is retarded. Sure, it could have happened but the chances are so remote as to make it impossible.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No idea. I wasnt there. Sounds like the kid wasnt the brightest bulb in the box. Until we know otherwise, I'll wait and see rather than play Roger Rabbit and just "REFUSE to see it. I DONT believe it. I WONT believe it."

    There were plenty of witnesses at the park. We'll find out soon enough.
    If he's not mentally handicapped, I'm going to call BS on it.

    This isn't the first time cops straight up lied or seriously stretched the truth about a bad shooting.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Do you believe the 12 year old boy drew on the cop with a BB gun?
    Well if we look at the information available to us

    "There's a guy in there with a pistol, you know, it's probably fake, but he's like pointing it at everybody," the caller said.
    "He's sitting on a swing right now, but he's pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people," the caller said. "He's probably a juvenile, you know?"
    Police said it's not clear if the responding officers received the information about the age of the suspect or the gun being "probably fake."
    When the two officers arrived, the boy did not point the air gun at them or otherwise threaten them, Tomba told reporters Sunday.
    But he did reach for the air gun, Tomba said.
    It seems that the caller informed the authority that the gun was likely fake, that the perpetrator was a juvenile, though they do not know if that information was given to the responding officers (break down 1). Also the reports say that he reached for his toy gun but had never threatened or pointed it at the cops (break down 2). I do think that if we didn't teach our cops to shoot first and ask questions later that this, and some earlier similar incidents, could have been concluded without loss of life.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    If he's not mentally handicapped, I'm going to call BS on it.

    This isn't the first time cops straight up lied or seriously stretched the truth about a bad shooting.

    Holy **** that was bad. They just up and shot the kid... ****ing assholes.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I seriously doubt the kid "went for his gun". That's illogical. The kid obviously knew the gun was not real and was not going for his "gun" to blow the cops away.

    I don't believe any of this crap.
    So, what went down all knowing?

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Do you believe the 12 year old boy drew on the cop with a BB gun?
    It is not a matter of what anybody on this forum believes. We and those who will anaylyze the situation over the next months have the advantage of tapes to be watched in slow motion over and over, witness interviews, and other evidence.

    What matters is what the responding police thought at that particular instant.

    What a few of the past few incidents do indicate is that the unintended consequence of the red tipped toy guns is that it seems to backfire in too many cases.

    Along with enabling police to ascertain that an unaltered toy is definitely a toy. (that too might be a problem if I painted the tip of my .44 orange before taking it out on a cop killing mission). But now the presumption is that any toy without the red tip is not a toy.

    As for the boy in this case. If you are old enough and smart enough to remove the orange from your toy before setting out to impress your friends, then you ought to be smart enough to know that it might be a bad idea.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ... that is just a saying and you can play with it all you like little buddy. What probably happened is that he made a mistake and is attempting to cover it up. Kids don't go for toy guns when presented with cops with real guns unless they have a mental disorder. The entire notion is retarded. Sure, it could have happened but the chances are so remote as to make it impossible.
    You dont know dammit about what 'kids do', especially THIS PARTICULAR kid when confronted with something he knew he was doing that was wrong. There are far too many cases where people in general do stupid things when confronted. Who knows...maybe he was reaching for it to throw it away. But presuming and believing the worst about a law enfrcement officer in the face of a confrontation with a kid you KNOW has demonstrated some really stupid choices...well...thats just projecting your won personal bias into a belief. Again...all good...but it doesnt make much sense.

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