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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ignoring the order didn't kill the kid, grabbing the gun did. Even at 6 years old I knew NEVER to do that.
    Oooo, good for you. But the world isn't 1 person cloned. The fact of the matter is that we have seen multiple occasions of innocent people being killed by police for having fake guns. The frequency is enough to warrant reviewing and perhaps even improving threat assessment protocol.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That point would vary upon situation. You don't get a "one size fits all" response. In this case, you may have to wait till the kids shoots to fire back with a firearm. And until that point, you may have to use less-than-lethal options such as a tazer. If there were hostages, the situation would change. if the cops new the gun was real, the situation would change.
    Nonsense. No person is obligated to wait until someone is shooting at them before firing back.

    You are taking a look back at a situation that happened rather than looking at it from the perspective of those that were there and had seconds to assess and act.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oooo, good for you. But the world isn't 1 person cloned. The fact of the matter is that we have seen multiple occasions of innocent people being killed by police for having fake guns. The frequency is enough to warrant reviewing and perhaps even improving threat assessment protocol.
    So we have a frequency of people doing stupid things like pointing fake guns at cops or ignoring orders and grabbing a fake gun.

    Seems it's an education part on the public. I love the fact you blame the cops but not the people doing the dumb things.

    Maybe it's Darwinism at work here.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So we have a frequency of people doing stupid things like pointing fake guns at cops or ignoring orders and grabbing a fake gun.

    Seems it's an education part on the public. I love the fact you blame the cops but not the people doing the dumb things.

    Maybe it's Darwinism at work here.
    Maybe it is. What I'm blaming, BTW, is the response protocol. If, again, you'd take the time to read.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe it is. What I'm blaming, BTW, is the response protocol. If, again, you'd take the time to read.
    And there was nothing wrong with it. If you are told to put your hands up and instead grab a weapon (fake or not), you are putting YOURSELF at risk. The cops have a right to defend themselves.

    If instead we have a whole bunch of people that insist on pointing weapons at cops (fake or not) then they are at fault fully.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And there was nothing wrong with it. If you are told to put your hands up and instead grab a weapon (fake or not), you are putting YOURSELF at risk. The cops have a right to defend themselves.

    If instead we have a whole bunch of people that insist on pointing weapons at cops (fake or not) then they are at fault fully.
    No, action requires the officer pulling the trigger, and individual is responsible for their own actions. The data that is measurable is the number of kids shot dead by cops because they have fake guns. The cause is the threat assessment taught to the police. There are far too many little kids being killed by cops, ergo the threat assessment cannot sufficiently take in information and data to properly assess threat and must be revamped.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And there was nothing wrong with it. If you are told to put your hands up and instead grab a weapon (fake or not), you are putting YOURSELF at risk. The cops have a right to defend themselves.

    If instead we have a whole bunch of people that insist on pointing weapons at cops (fake or not) then they are at fault fully.
    I don't want to say this kid was dumb or stupid, obviously no matter what it was a fatal mistake in the end, but for all we know he was terrified and had the thought that maybe he just needed to show them it was just a toy. Maybe he was reaching for it and they said to put his arms in the air and in the split second he was going to put his arms up they shot. We don't know the time frame so maybe he did make a really bad decision or maybe the cops did. Until more information is known it is kind of speculation.
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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    What's fail is today's societal fear and police responses to kids playing on playgrounds. Jesus we used to bring cap guns to the school playground all the time to play cops and robbers. No one called the police and no kids got shot.
    I'm guessing though that when you grew up kids were not actually shooting up schools as much as they are now?
    Tough spot for the Police I have to say, given the amount of school/ public shootings there seem to be in the US.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well more than lethal options.



    That's why it's less-than-lethal. And yes, they do have probabilities of causing damage and death, just remarkably reduced probabilities than that of a bullet. I'm asking for restraint in government force used against its own citizens. Government is limited.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Dead dumbass, live cop. At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me.
    Dead kid, jubilant authoratarian; that's what you have.
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