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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So your solution is dead cop then. Got it.
    Nope, that doesn't mean dead cop. Plenty of less-than-lethal responses that can be taken instead.

    Is hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty the only methods through which you can argue? It's pathetic and sad.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, that doesn't mean dead cop. Plenty of less-than-lethal responses that can be taken instead.

    Is hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty the only methods through which you can argue? It's pathetic and sad.
    LOL that's funny since you claimed I like dead kids. Might want to get off your soapbox there before you claim that one on me.

    Sorry but tazers are not a guarantee and depending on the distance in-effective. Again, you should really get educated on walking a beat before you say such silly things like that.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah. Like I said, if it was an adult, I wouldn't give him much if any benefit of the doubt.

    A 12yo, I'd take a little risk to try to avoid shooting him, if circumstances permitted.


    Bottom line, I wasn't there so maybe I shouldn't judge harshly.... but it is a pity this happened, and I feel that it is symptomatic of a shoot-first mentality brought on by Officer Safety becoming more important than Public Safety.
    Man I am with you. And it's honorable to at least try to defuse the situation and prevent this very thing.

    My goal is to provide some information about what I know as far as the airsoft guns go. I won't claim or act like I know anything more about what goes through an officers mind. I have the utmost respect for officers and always give them the benefit of a doubt. I have done a lot of training with officers for active shooter and hostage situations and I know our local guys go above and beyond to keep from pulling the trigger.

    It is indeed a damn shame this happened the way it did. There are no winners. A life was lost, a family is without a son, a cop has taken a life and has to live with that.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    LOL that's funny since you claimed I like dead kids. Might want to get off your soapbox there before you claim that one on me.

    Sorry but tazers are not a guarantee and depending on the distance in-effective. Again, you should really get educated on walking a beat before you say such silly things like that.
    Nothing is a guarantee. You get no guarantees in life, and in situations where you risk life; there are no guarantees either. So what's the point? It's all about probabilities and understanding probabilities. There are plenty, not just Tazers, of less-than-lethal tools to be used in this situation which results in no loss of life. And until the proper assessment could be made to determine the authenticity of the firearm in this instance, then those are the paths the government should be allowed to take.

    Government is limited, the power that it can use is restricted and controlled. it cannot just shoot its own citizens because it feels like it.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, that doesn't mean dead cop. Plenty of less-than-lethal responses that can be taken instead.

    Is hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty the only methods through which you can argue? It's pathetic and sad.
    How many "non leathal" products should each officer carry? Also, pretty much everything that is deemed "non lethal" has done more harm from time to time up to and including death.
    So really you are calling for police to be disarmed. And punished if they fight back.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing is a guarantee. You get no guarantees in life, and in situations where you risk life; there are no guarantees either. So what's the point? It's all about probabilities and understanding probabilities. There are plenty, not just Tazers, of less-than-lethal tools to be used in this situation which results in no loss of life. And until the proper assessment could be made to determine the authenticity of the firearm in this instance, then those are the paths the government should be allowed to take.

    Government is limited, the power that it can use is restricted and controlled. it cannot just shoot its own citizens because it feels like it.
    There was no time to MAKE a proper assessment. When the cops told the kid to put his hands up, he grabbed the gun.

    The cops didn't just "shoot first", they told the kid to raise his hands. When the kid refused to follow the police officer's orders and instead grabbed the gun, the kid put himself in that risk.

    What you are wanting the cops to do is put their life even MORE at risk unnecessarily. If the kid would have followed the simple order, NONE of this would have happened. However, if the cop hesitated and the kid had a real gun, the cop would be dead or injured.

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How many "non leathal" products should each officer carry?
    Well more than lethal options.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Also, pretty much everything that is deemed "non lethal" has done more harm from time to time up to and including death.
    So really you are calling for police to be disarmed. And punished if they fight back.
    That's why it's less-than-lethal. And yes, they do have probabilities of causing damage and death, just remarkably reduced probabilities than that of a bullet. I'm asking for restraint in government force used against its own citizens. Government is limited.
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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There was no time to MAKE a proper assessment. When the cops told the kid to put his hands up, he grabbed the gun.

    The cops didn't just "shoot first", they told the kid to raise his hands. When the kid refused to follow the police officer's orders and instead grabbed the gun, the kid put himself in that risk.
    Kids are kids, they don't necessarily understand. Refusing an order shouldn't immediately deem execution.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Cleveland boy with fake pistol killed by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Kids are kids, they don't necessarily understand. Refusing an order shouldn't immediately deem execution.
    Ignoring the order didn't kill the kid, grabbing the gun did. Even at 6 years old I knew NEVER to do that.

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    Re: The next Ferguson ?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Another fail was that it seems the dispatcher was told multiples times it appeared to be a fake gun and that was not relayed to the police.
    Who is calling 911 about a kid with a fake gun? Seems like that's the first fail in the chain.

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