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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Since there's no proof that the Obama administration lied about and covered up the Benghazi attacks, your question is hereby dismissed as irrelevant and nonsensical.
    Lol !!

    Susan Rice a week after Leon Panetta KNEW that it was a Terrorist attack and not a " spontaneous protest " went on 5 different Sunday News shows and LIED HER ASS OFF.

    You people were Grubered again.

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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    I wasn't so concerned about what happened. I was more concerned about why an American Ambassador had such lack security before the attack. And concerned about the lax response. These people only know violence. Parking a single destroyer isn't as intimidating as an aircraft carrier buzzing the city.

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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your thinking is what Gruber was referring to.
    Yep, that must be it. Didn't vote for Obama in 2012, but somehow "I'm" what Gruber was referring to.

    Maybe you should just sit this one out and continue hiding out in Canada.

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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's a pretty bull**** analysis, even for you. When you don't have an argument, you resort to personal attacks. I'm a very proud Canadian from a long line of proud Canadians.

    American lives are the only ones in this context that matter because America is responsible for protecting Americans and can't be held responsible for other nation's citizens who lose their lives in attacks on Americans.
    Given that you don't seem to give a **** about PAST Americans that have died in Embassy positions and your obvious obsession with Jeb Bush, yes my point stands.

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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    This is impossible.

    The congressman from my district said that he is going to disclose whatever it is that Obama was hiding. Surly Trey wasn't implying that he had knowledge that Obama was hiding something when he didn't have such knowledge. That would make him a lier, we all know that a lifelong politician who has never held a private sector job would never tell such a lie.
    Huh? Surly Trey? Why do you say he's surly?

    Lifelong politician?

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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!
    On September 16, the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice appeared on five major interview shows to discuss the attacks. Prior to her appearance, Rice was provided with "talking points" from a CIA memo,[198] which stated:

    The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.

    This assessment may change as additional information is collected and analyzed and as currently available information continues to be evaluated. The investigation is ongoing, and the U.S. government is working with Libyan authorities to bring to justice those responsible for the deaths of U.S. citizens.[199]

    Using these talking points as a guide
    , Rice stated:

    Based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy—sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent." "We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned." "I think it's clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we'll have to determine.
    Fenton: Susan Rice a week after Leon Panetta KNEW that it was a Terrorist attack and not a " spontaneous protest " went on 5 different Sunday News shows and LIED HER ASS OFF.
    Panetta: "I didn't have any specific information, but the fact was that when you bring grenade launchers to a demonstration, there's something else is going on. From the very beginning I sensed that this was an attack, a terrorist attack on our compound. I remember saying to him look, based on the weapons that I see and the nature of the attack, I think this was a terrorist attack. He said look, the information we are getting from intelligence sources is that it really was a demonstration. I said you know, David, I don't see it that way. I think we are dealing with what in effect, with a group of terrorists who took advantage of the situation in order to go after our people."

    So while Panetta SENSED it was a terrorist attack, the actual intelligence was conflicted and unclear. I'm afraid that Panetta's gut instinct is not proof of anything.

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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Can I still blurt the words, "What difference does it make?"
    Yes, it can be her campaign slogan.
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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nonsense.. You people need to remind yourselves occasionally that WE ( Conservatives ) were NOT the people Gruber was referring to when he called the American voters idiots.'

    We KNEW Obama and the Democrats were lying scum long before Gruber's comments were disclosed.

    And why do you people continue to run and hide behind the false narrative of Bush's supposed " lies " about WMD ??

    Oh that's right, you WERE the people Gruber was referring to....



    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998


    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998



    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
    -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

    Final votes for Iraq Resolution

    Party Yeas Nays Not

    Republican 215 6 2
    Democratic 82 126 1
    Independent 0 1 0
    TOTALS 297 133 3
    I can't see the reminders of all of the Democratic lies that got us into Iraq enough.
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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Given that you don't seem to give a **** about PAST Americans that have died in Embassy positions and your obvious obsession with Jeb Bush, yes my point stands.
    I see you're not man enough to admit your post and personal attack was a load of crap. Noted.
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    Re: Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Hi, MMC. Had to stay away for a while - life happened. You'd have loved it - a grand case of government overreach.
    The state came by and shut down our business thanks to pictures that we have since proven were staged and sent in with false claims...but the state investigator never asked our side of the story, and now we're going through the appeal process and they're represented by an Assistant Attorney General...whereas it's just me representing my wife and myself. But I sorta feel sorry for that AAG because the state handed them a bum case, and - God willing - I'm going to rub their noses in it. It's a long, long story, but I can prove that the state witnesses changed their testimony, that the investigator changed words from her notes to her official allegations, and that in most of the investigation, never ever asked our side of the story concerning the allegations. So if we do indeed win, I can't go around bragging I beat an AAG - they were handed a mostly-indefensible case. In mid-January I'll drop off the radar again so I can prepare for the last three days of the case in early February.

    Government overreach shutting down my wife's small business on false pretenses - it's almost enough for this liberal to start yelling for small government. The irony is that the lead investigator and her husband are prominent Republicans in the county....

    But back to the discussion -

    Well, seeing as how Graham wouldn't say why he dismissed the report's findings, but would only 'suggest' people were lying, well, no, I don't really give a whole lot of weight to his claim. That, and this IS the 7th investigation in the GOP-led House's quest to blame it all on the Dems. And they've shot nothing but blanks. So either Dems are THAT good and THAT sneaky and THAT organized and THAT dedicated to an unbreakable code of silence...or there's no 'there' there. From The Hill:

    Graham didnít clearly pinpoint why he dismissed the reportís findings, but suggested its information was provided by people in the intelligence community who had previously lied to Congress about the attack.
    Hey there Glen...Good luck on your case...I hope you prevail.
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