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Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations

It seems fewer people are admitting they voted for Obama but, whether you did or not, you're still among those Gruber was referring to.

Says the Canuck :lamo

You're opinion means jack and **** since your comments are lies anyway. You can't even admit you're a conservative, but hey I understand you are embarrassed to. There is NOTHING independent about you, you are a GOP mouthpiece.
 
Says the Canuck :lamo

You're opinion means jack and **** since your comments are lies anyway. You can't even admit you're a conservative, but hey I understand you are embarrassed to. There is NOTHING independent about you, you are a GOP mouthpiece.
I was referring to Gruber's opinion, and agreeing with him.
 
No, I don't. That wasn't the question.

Oh, well, then why post something that has Panetta equivocating on whether or not the attack was due to a video? Surely you must have thought that backed up your opinion, otherwise there is no reason to post it like you did...

You do realize that time is linear, right?

Being a jerk doesn't hide what you did any better.
 
Who blamed Iraq for 9/11?

(This should be good!)

Which country was attacked after 9/11 because of 9/11? And why did up to 70% of Americans believe that Saddam was linked, if not directly responsible, for 9/11?

And you talk about Democrats being Grubered...
 
Oh, well, then why post something that has Panetta equivocating on whether or not the attack was due to a video? Surely you must have thought that backed up your opinion, otherwise there is no reason to post it like you did...

You haven't been following the conversation. Fenton brought up Panetta, I quote Panetta and in effect nullified Fenton's point.

Being a jerk doesn't hide what you did any better.

You asking me what I believe now has nothing to do with what was believed during the Benghazi attack. Which indicates that you're unaware of how time actually works. I informed you. That's not being a jerk.
 
Which country was attacked after 9/11 because of 9/11? And why did up to 70% of Americans believe that Saddam was linked, if not directly responsible, for 9/11?

And you talk about Democrats being Grubered...

Maybe a second time might help.

Who blamed Iraq for 9/11???
 
Maybe a second time might help.

Who blamed Iraq for 9/11???

Bush put forth the notion that Iraq and 9/11 were linked, as I previously stated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations

Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations were made by U.S. Government officials who claimed that a highly secretive relationship existed between former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the radical Islamist militant organization Al-Qaeda from 1992 to 2003, specifically through a series of meetings reportedly involving the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS).[1] In the lead up to the Iraq War, U.S. President George W. Bush alleged that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and militant group al-Qaeda might conspire to launch terrorist attacks on the United States,[2] basing the administration's rationale for war, in part, on this allegation and others. The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.[4] Critics of the Bush Administration have said Bush was intentionally building a case for war with Iraq without regard to factual evidence. On April 29, 2007, former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet said on 60 Minutes, "We could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaeda for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period."

September 11th aftermath

The Bush Administration sought to link the Iraqi dictator to Islamist radicals early on in the aftermath of the September 11th attacks. President Bush allegedly made the case to Tony Blair as early as September 14, 2001, although Blair urged him not to pursue the claim.[12]

In addition, Bush received on September 21, 2001, a classified President's Daily Brief (PDB), indicating the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that "there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda."[13]

Cheney's claims

Vice President Dick Cheney had told Meet the Press on December 9, 2001, that Iraq was harboring Abdul Rahman Yasin, a suspect in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing,[14] and repeated the statement in another appearance on September 14, 2003, saying "We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaida sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaida organization. We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in '93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of '93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven."[15] and once again in an interview with National Public Radio in January, 2004, stating that there was "overwhelming evidence" of a relationship between Saddam and al-Qaeda based on evidence including Iraq's purported harboring of Yasin.[16]

Bush Administration reconsiders its position

On March 21, 2006, Bush sought to distance himself from the allegation of any link. He said: "First, just if I might correct a misperception, I don’t think we ever said — at least I know I didn’t say that there was a direct connection between September the 11th and Saddam Hussein."[33] Bush reaffirmed the White House position in even stronger terms in a press conference on 21 August 2006. When asked what the connection was between Iraq and the September 11th attacks, Bush replied, "Nothing.... Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq."[34]

Opponents of his Iraq policy charged that his statement was inconsistent with his letter to Congress of March 21, 2003 [35] and a minority (Democrat) staff report by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform claimed that "in 125 separate appearances, they [Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice] made ... 61 misleading statements about Iraq's relationship with al-Qaeda."[36]
 
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You haven't been following the conversation. Fenton brought up Panetta, I quote Panetta and in effect nullified Fenton's point.

I followed it just fine...And now you are dancing....

You asking me what I believe now has nothing to do with what was believed during the Benghazi attack. Which indicates that you're unaware of how time actually works. I informed you. That's not being a jerk.

:roll: Sure...You're smarter than everyone else, I get it...You must have a room full of participation trophy's.
 
Absolutely. There's no leading Presidential candidate on the right who blurted in exasperation "what difference does it make".
No, they were just doing it on the very same day:

At 10:09 p.m. ET, the Romney campaign sends out a statement to reporters. It's "embargoed until midnight tonight," i.e., until after the 9/11 anniversary. Romney:

I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.

At 10:24, the campaign lifts the embargo and reporters start mentioning the statement.

- At 12:01 a.m. ET, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus tweets: Obama sympathizes with attackers in Egypt. Sad and pathetic.

But go on telling everyone how it was anyone other than Republicans who politicized what happened in Benghazi.
 
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No, they were just doing it on the very same day:But go on telling everyone how it was anyone other than Republicans who politicized what happened in Benghazi.
It was a disgrace. That's just pointing out the obvious.
 
Maybe a second time might help.

Who blamed Iraq for 9/11???


Nah Grant. :2wave: Keep them focused on Benghazi and Libya, also that which correlates with the issue. All that other BS is nothing more than a deflection. So far he isn't doing so well with what I brought up.
 
It was a disgrace. That's just pointing out the obvious.
It was also a lie, as Obama did nothing of the sort.

But thank you for admitting Republicans were the first to politicize it.
 
No, they were just doing it on the very same day:



But go on telling everyone how it was anyone other than Republicans who politicized what happened in Benghazi.

This was a response, in the height of a Presidential campaign, to counter the position taken by the White House and the State Department that this attack had anything to do with an internet video uncomplimentary about Mohammed. The White House and the State Department did, indeed, sympathize with the "protestors" in Lybia and Egypt by condemning the video, ignoring the evidence that the attack in Lybia had zero to do with the video. The White House was on record as claiming terrorism and Al Qaida were "on the run" and they could not, POLITICALLY, admit that was a bunch of crap.

But, please do go on providing yourself as an excellent example of proof for Gruber's contention.
 
It was also a lie, as Obama did nothing of the sort.

But thank you for admitting Republicans were the first to politicize it.

Any comment can be deemed as 'politicizing' a situation. It's generally used, as in this case, when there is no sensible response available.
 
This was a response, in the height of a Presidential campaign
Yes, a political response made by the presidential nominee from the Republican party, a response which took a direct personal attack at his opponent.

to counter the position taken by the White House and the State Department that this attack had anything to do with an internet video uncomplimentary about Mohammed.
That's a lie and you know it. The White House and State Department had not taken a position on what fueled the attack at Benghazi at that point.

But good job trying to excuse the fact Republicans were the ones who politicized it.

The White House and the State Department did, indeed, sympathize with the "protestors" in Lybia and Egypt by condemning the video
Yes, but they had not given any reason for the attack at Benghazi.

Are you done posting lies yet?
ignoring the evidence that the attack in Lybia had zero to do with the video.
Apparently not.

The White House was on record as claiming terrorism and Al Qaida were "on the run" and they could not, POLITICALLY, admit that was a bunch of crap.
Romney's and Preibus's tweet occurred on September 11th (our time), the day of the attack. The White House had not made any statement about the attack in Benghazi yet and about the only response which had been made was by Hillary:

"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."

You are wrong. 100% wrong. Admit you are wrong and stop posting lies. The Republicans were politicizing the Benghazi attack before the bodies were cold. You know it, I know it. Don't be a partisan hack, admit you were wrong about who politicized the event first.

But, please do go on providing yourself as an excellent example of proof for Gruber's contention.
I think it's funny how you are posting lies to score political points and then you invoke Gruber with contempt. Pot, meet kettle.

I also think it's funny you're taking a personal shot at me because I'm telling the truth, not falling for your lies.
Any comment can be deemed as 'politicizing' a situation. It's generally used, as in this case, when there is no sensible response available.
No, no it cannot. For example:

"I am saddened to hear of the deaths of Americans in Benghazi. I pray for their families and for all Americans who serve our country. I will support our President as America strives to bring those responsible to justice."

Nothing political about that, just good old patriotism. It just isn't what Romney said. The Republicans politicized the event before the day was even finished. To hear them blame those on the "left" for making it a political issue is ridiculous.
 
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Benghazi Timeline
The long road from "spontaneous protest" to premeditated terrorist attack
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What follows is a timeline of events that we hope will help put the incident into perspective. We call attention in particular to these key facts:

◾There were *no protesters* at the Benghazi consulate prior to the attack, even though Obama and others repeatedly said the attackers joined an angry mob that had formed in opposition to the anti-Muslim film that had triggered protests in Egypt and elsewhere. The State Department disclosed this fact Oct. 9 — nearly a month after the attack.
◾Libya President Mohamed Magariaf insisted on Sept. 16 — five days after the attack — that it was a planned terrorist attack, but administration officials continued for days later to say there was no evidence of a planned attack.◾Magariaf also said the idea that the attack was a “spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous.” This, too, was on Sept. 16. Yet, Obama and others continued to describe the incident in exactly those terms — including during the president’s Sept. 18 appearance on the “Late Show With David Letterman.”
◾Matt Olsen, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, was the first administration official to call it “a terrorist attack” during a Sept. 19 congressional hearing. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did the same on Sept. 20. Even so, Obama declined opportunities to call it a terrorist attack when asked at a town hall meeting on Sept. 20 and during a taping of “The View” on Sept. 24......snip~

Benghazi Timeline



So much for the Video BS and Protestors. :roll:
 
Yes, a political response made by the presidential nominee from the Republican party, a response which took a direct personal attack at his opponent.

That's a lie and you know it. The White House and State Department had not taken a position on what fueled the attack at Benghazi at that point.

But good job trying to excuse the fact Republicans were the ones who politicized it.

Yes, but they had not given any reason for the attack at Benghazi.

Are you done posting lies yet?
Apparently not.

Romney's and Preibus's tweet occurred on September 11th (our time), the day of the attack. The White House had not made any statement about the attack in Benghazi yet and about the only response which had been made was by Hillary:

"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."

You are wrong. 100% wrong. Admit you are wrong and stop posting lies. The Republicans were politicizing the Benghazi attack before the bodies were cold. You know it, I know it. Don't be a partisan hack, admit you were wrong about who politicized the event first.

I think it's funny how you are posting lies to score political points and then you invoke Gruber with contempt. Pot, meet kettle.

I also think it's funny you're taking a personal shot at me because I'm telling the truth, not falling for your lies.
No, no it cannot. For example:

"I am saddened to hear of the deaths of Americans in Benghazi. I pray for their families and for all Americans who serve our country. I will support our President as America strives to bring those responsible to justice."

Nothing political about that, just good old patriotism. It just isn't what Romney said. The Republicans politicized the event before the day was even finished. To hear them blame those on the "left" for making it a political issue is ridiculous.

Here is a copy of the State Department statement issued on September 11, 2012.

Clinton on the Attack in Benghazi | IIP Digital

In it, Hillary Clinton refers to ONE State Department officer being confirmed killed and immediately tries to link the internet video to the attacks in Benghazi. Clearly, she initiated the politicization of the events in Benghazi without any evidence that the video had any relationship to the attacks.

Prove to me that Romney's comments were issued prior to the Clinton State Department press release/statement and I'll grant the point that Romney spoke first.
 
Here is a copy of the State Department statement issued on September 11, 2012.

Clinton on the Attack in Benghazi | IIP Digital

In it, Hillary Clinton refers to ONE State Department officer being confirmed killed and immediately tries to link the internet video to the attacks in Benghazi. Clearly, she initiated the politicization of the events in Benghazi without any evidence that the video had any relationship to the attacks.

Prove to me that Romney's comments were issued prior to the Clinton State Department press release/statement and I'll grant the point that Romney spoke first.


Heya CJ. :2wave: Fact Check.Org, Politi-Fact, Yahoo, CNN and the BBC fact checkers all went with the facts. No Grubinations.....Imagine that! :mrgreen:

2:30 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time (8:30 p.m. Benghazi time): U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens steps outside the consulate to say goodbye to a Turkish diplomat. There are no protesters at this time. (“Everything is calm at 8:30,” a State Department official would later say at an Oct. 9 background briefing for reporters. “There’s nothing unusual. There has been nothing unusual during the day at all outside.”)

3 p.m.: Ambassador Stevens retires to his bedroom for the evening. (See Oct. 9 briefing.)

Approximately 3:40 p.m. A security agent at the Benghazi compound hears “loud noises” coming from the front gate and “gunfire and an explosion.” A senior State Department official at the Oct. 9 briefing says that “the camera on the main gate reveals a large number of people – a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound.”

About 4 p.m.: This is the approximate time of attack that was given to reporters at a Sept. 12 State Department background briefing. An administration official identified only as “senior administration official one” provides an official timeline of events at the consulate, but only from the time of the attack — not prior to the attack. The official says, “The compound where our office is in Benghazi began taking fire from unidentified Libyan extremists.” (Six of the next seven entries in this timeline — through 8:30 p.m. EDT — all come from the Sept. 12 briefing. The exception being the 6:07 p.m. entry, which comes from Reuters.).....snip~
 
Here is a copy of the State Department statement issued on September 11, 2012.

Clinton on the Attack in Benghazi | IIP Digital

In it, Hillary Clinton refers to ONE State Department officer being confirmed killed and immediately tries to link the internet video to the attacks in Benghazi. Clearly, she initiated the politicization of the events in Benghazi without any evidence that the video had any relationship to the attacks.

Prove to me that Romney's comments were issued prior to the Clinton State Department press release/statement and I'll grant the point that Romney spoke first.
More lies from you. Clinton did not say anything about a video. She said "inflammatory material". Furthermore, how does condemning the attack politicize it?

You are wrong. Nothing Clinton said was political. Quit posting lies and acknowledge Romney and the Republicans took the first political attacks about Benghazi, before the bodies were even cold. They politicized it to try and win the Presidency.

So do the honest thing now and admit Republicans made it a left vs. right issue first.
Funny - it took mere seconds for you to post up and call me a liar and yet when I ask you to prove it, all we get is crickets.
Funny - you think no one has anything to do in life but respond to you. How absurd can one person be?

And just because you don't seem to understand the concept of "real life", I'm logging off the forum now and probably won't be back for a while. Would you like a little pat on the head before I go with a promise I'll be back? :roll:
 
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More lies from you. Clinton did not say anything about a video. She said "inflammatory material". Furthermore, how does condemning the attack politicize it?

You are wrong. Nothing Clinton said was political. Quit posting lies and acknowledge Romney and the Republicans took the first political attacks about Benghazi, before the bodies were even cold. They politicized it to try and win the Presidency.

So do the honest thing now and admit Republicans made it a left vs. right issue first.
Funny - you think no one has anything to do in life but respond to you. How absurd can one person be?

Your posts are idiotic, full of lies and bluster, and when you're called out you run and hide, try to change the context, and claim you're too busy to respond. Pathetic.

What do you think "inflammatory material" referred to? Try not to post an answer that makes your position look even more pathetic.
 
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