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House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

kamikaze483 said:
Any legislative action taken (even after January) requires the President's signature. A compromise with the President is going to be virtually impossible after the President has taken this EO action. There will be no compromise. A Republican bill to reform immigration would not meet the President's requirements, he would not sign it, and the EO would remain in place until legislation is passed on the President's terms. ...
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I wouldn't be surprised of congress doesn't pass a bill that is nearly identical to Obama's illegal executive aministy.

It's all about votes. Our elections are so close that we call it a landslide when a candidate wins by just 6%. We are fairly equally divided between the two parties. If the republicans don't respond to this executive action, in just the right way, then dems will pick up almost 100% of the latino vote next go round, and there will be almost no way that republicans can win.

Republicans would be smart to make a deal with Obama, offering to pass a bill in January, if Obama delays his executive action until Feb 1st. If republicans get this right, then Obama will still be able to save face as he would have forced congress to act, and republicans would be able to keep their share of latino voters.
 
MMC said:
Well they did call up a bill and like all thought.....Reid and the Demos didn't let it make it to BO's desk. They did this before they went on break. So the Bills will start coming and Reid will be done playing head games.
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Which bill was that? It wasn't the bipartisan immigration bill that passed the Senate 68-32 and is sitting in the House waiting on Boner to bring it up for a vote, and that would have passed it he'd allowed it to get a vote.
 
imagep said:
Absolutely, but overturning this executive action would open a huge can of worms, and put the validity of every other past executive action for the past 200+ years into question.
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I see. So, by the same reasoning, the Supreme Court should never overrule one of its earlier decisions--that would open a huge can of worms, and call the validity of every other Supreme Court decision for the past 200-plus years into question.
 
JasperL said:
Which bill was that? It wasn't the bipartisan immigration bill that passed the Senate 68-32 and is sitting in the House waiting on Boner to bring it up for a vote, and that would have passed it he'd allowed it to get a vote.
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No, it was the Keystone Bill that the Demos just dumped on.

Besides, the Bill you are talking about from the Senate......Harry Reid pulled back the Border Security Provision of the Bill, and has been holding it ever since then.

Even after the bills that were sent which BO didn't like. That came during the surge of children, with the Southern Border.
 
Kobie said:
It has to be, unless you find it appealing to stew in the same filthy water as Bernie Sanders and John McCain.
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Greetings, Kobie. :2wave:

I just asked yesterday if anyone had heard from you! How are you faring, and were you in the area that got feet, not inches, of snow? :shock:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Kobie. :2wave:

I just asked yesterday if anyone had heard from you! How are you faring, and were you in the area that got feet, not inches, of snow? :shock:
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We didn't get much, maybe 2 inches of snow. The real monster storm hit west and south of us. I'm in Rochester; Buffalo to just southwest of here got buried. Thank you for your concern. We're all good here. :)
 
JasperL said:
I'm just laughing because obviously the comparison of Obama to HITLER is more appropriate..... After all, the lawsuit is about Obama delaying the employer healthcare mandate. If that's not a HITLER!!! type act, I don't know what is! "Tyrant" just doesn't quite capture the enormity of the evil at work here. :roll:
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I see. You were parsing Obama's tyranny into lesser, Hitlerian tyrannies versus destroying the value of the American citizenship tyranny of yesterday. I have no doubt that you would parse Hitler's tyranny into his attack through Poland, then another small amount of tyranny in his destruction of France and the Brits leading to the evacuation at Dunkirk. And when you parse Hitler's Operation Barbarossa would that be a greater tyranny or a lesser tyranny?

I now realize that you are not a serious poster. Thanks for making that clear.
 
TheNextEra said:
Why do the hyperbole idiots that call Obama a Tyrant, so readily demonstrate their complete lack of thought?
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Government action without legitimate authority is arbitrary. Tyranny is a completely valid description of arbitrary, illegitimate government.

This President has governed more lawlessly, by far, than any I have ever seen or read about, including Franklin Roosevelt and Richard Nixon. Woodrow Wilson, who made no secret of his disdain for the Constitution, was not even in his league. But being a practiced liar, Mr. Obama is good at making his lawless actions sound reasonable. And so, people who don't like to think, or don't pay attention, or are ignorant of basic civics, are easily taken in.

Andy McCarthy has written a book listing and categorizing Mr. Obama's many offenses against constitutional rule. He has grossly and repeatedly violated the public trust, and if he is not impeached, the very last reason will be that there weren't adequate grounds for it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Why do the hyperbole idiots that call Obama a Tyrant, so readily demonstrate their complete lack of thought?
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Your question is an interesting one. It reveals something of your thinking. Obama, when he accelerates the destruction of the US economically, is not a tyrant in your eyes. When Obama tyrannically puts 5 million illegals on the path to citizenship with another 11-35 million more over the next decade or so thus eviscerating this nation's culture and language, this is no big deal for you. And when he positions the nation for a one party dictatorship you smile and think about how cool he is. When you consider that he has effectively suppressed wages for everyone making under $100K perhaps you simply smile and smugly think, "Well I already got mine".

The lack of thought is clearly on your side of this equation. His tyranny has just started.

But I do not expect for you to grow in wisdom.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Congrats. Does this mean its going to go anywhere and make it less of a stunt simply because he is a liberal?


See you keep on going back to the constitution. It was held up as constitutional. Using this rhetoric just proves its another stunt.
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Wanna know the dumb thing, Roberts upheld the law as a tax, but tax and spending bills must originate in the house and ACA originated in the senate, so therefore ACA is fully unconstitutional on procedural grounds as Roberts upheld it. However since SCOTUS won't hear such a case John Roberts basically has ruled the origination clause of artice 1 doesn't apply anymore
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Good luck. Its a stunt just like their 40 odd times to repeal the ACA.
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It's not a stunt. The GOP is 100% in favor the ACA because their insurance co. sponsors love it, and are suing Obama because Obama's delay in enforcing the mandate for all those under it is costing the insurers.

The lawsuit is about suing Obama for failing to enforce the ACA, not for enacting it.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Wanna know the dumb thing, Roberts upheld the law as a tax, but tax and spending bills must originate in the house and ACA originated in the senate, so therefore ACA is fully unconstitutional on procedural grounds as Roberts upheld it. However since SCOTUS won't hear such a case John Roberts basically has ruled the origination clause of artice 1 doesn't apply anymore
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It was a sad case of CJ Roberts trying to be clever and giving the Dem Justices' commerce clause idiocy the face palm while sticking it to the voters or voting in Obamabomination and also getting some fluffery from the liberal journalists for not striking down the idiocy
 
TheNextEra said:
Assuming the GOP wins the lawsuit, exactly what action can be taken against Obama from this?
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The action would override his EO. therefore making it ineffective.
 
solletica said:
It's not a stunt. The GOP is 100% in favor the ACA because their insurance co. sponsors love it, and are suing Obama because Obama's delay in enforcing the mandate for all those under it is costing the insurers.

The lawsuit is about suing Obama for failing to enforce the ACA, not for enacting it.
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Errrrrr.....if it were the insurance companies complaining, wouldn't THEY bring the suit?

At least they have standing, not like the GOP.
 
MMC said:
How was it a stunt for Turley a liberal Law Professor and attorney to take on a case for Conservatives? Must mean there is something bigger than the Repubs party, huh?
LAW
There are those on the left that believe in a Constitution and Rule of Law.....as well as a Democratic Republic. Of that you can be assured.
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No matter how many times you repeat this or highlight it doesn't mean it isn't lame.

Ooooh a LIBERAL LAW PROFESSOR! Oooooooh!
 
MMC said:
Sure, because he is one of the top Constitutional Attorneys in the Country. Uhm, that's active before the SCOTUS too.

Moreover he was one who the left would look to go to take on Repubs. So definitely a difference than being represented from other attorneys from the Right or alleged Independent status.
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Did you know Obama was a constitutional law professor so he's an expert on constitutional law? And he's a liberal too! How about that!
 
MMC said:



"What" everything the Repubs do is a stunt.....huh? Did you note who their attorney is now?

Looks like they will go with all they can do.


Republican Texas Congressman Michael McCaul, who will serve as the new chairman for the House Homeland Security, warns Obama's action is a threat to American democracy and vows to use his new position to stop the "unconstitutional action."

As chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, I will use every tool at my disposal to stop the president’s unconstitutional actions from being implemented.”.....snip~

Obama: My Executive Action Isn't Amnesty and It's Lawful - Katie Pavlich
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In two years they will get the Presidency and fix what wrong.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

Millions of voters in the midterms showed what they thought! That's good enough for me. If Obama doesn't get to be a dictator, someone from the other party might also try if this bull**** isn't stopped. Wonder how the Dems would feel then?
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Considering it was a vote for congress and the senate and not the president, and it was the worst turn out in 70 years, I think most people just stayed home because they are fed up with our congress critters. Hardly any kind of mandate on the president.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Thanks for your comments - one of the most reasoned responses to the OP that I've seen.

It still amazes me, frankly, that a country that was born out of the tyranny of a monarch so readily gave what seem to me regal powers to a single man/woman who happens to hold the Presidency.
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Oh brother quit with the dramatic. Obama really didn't do much of anything and not anywhere near what the right was expecting him to do. Did you even read the transcript to the speech?
 
Isn't this dictator, emperor, king bull**** a riot.
Too bad the President didn't keep his original word and do this before the end of summer.

The GOPs like Cruz, Palin, Boehner, McConnell etc. would have lost their minds as they are now.
And scared the American people ****less all the way to the polls in record numbers .

EnigmaO01 said:
Considering it was a vote for congress and the senate and not the president, and it was the worst turn out in 70 years, I think most people just stayed home because they are fed up with our congress critters. Hardly any kind of mandate on the president.
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imagep said:
Absolutely, but overturning this executive action would open a huge can of worms, and put the validity of every other past executive action for the past 200+ years into question.
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Perhaps, but unless America wants an imperial Presidency sometime in the future, there has to be a line drawn somewhere to limit executive action.
 
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