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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That question is subterfuge...He already knows that it has been answered in the thread many times, and is ignoring the answer.
    Excellent - so now step up and provide that answer that has been given many times in this very thread - what exact law can you point to that Obama has violated with this action?
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

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    What is there about the word WE that seems to befuddle you?
    I'm not befuddled. I'm a lot of things, but befuddled isn't one of them.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, you're ok with the dishonesty, and contempt shown toward the people this administration exhibits? That will be good to remember when a republican is in the WH next term.
    So you believe then that Obama was lying about being a professor at CS Law School?

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't disagree, but the exercise of transparency is important. I don't mind an Obama veto politically.
    An Obama veto of an immigration bill would be fine with me as well. Give him the ball and let him refuse to run with it. I would be afraid of any immigration bill that the President WOULD sign. Nothing legislative is going to circumvent this executive order. It will have to be decided by third branch if its implementation is to be prevented.
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    An Obama veto of an immigration bill would be fine with me as well. Give him the ball and let him refuse to run with it. I would be afraid of any immigration bill that the President WOULD sign. Nothing legislative is going to circumvent this executive order. It will have to be decided by third branch if its implementation is to be prevented.
    I agree. I would like to see legislation presented to the president to secure the southern border. I actually prefer that the states follow the judicial path and leave the federal legislature out of it for right now. This is a distraction at present.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I won't bother responding to most of that, but bringing up Reagan (and Nixon!! ) is kind of funny. You might review the Iran-Contra affair that occurred during the reign of Tyrant St. Ronaldus....
    Did they rule without the consent of the governed?

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    So your problem is with Congress, and not the POTUS? In actual tyrannical regimes, the elected legislature has no power. See the difference? It's kind of key, which is why I ignore people who don't take that kind of key difference into account.
    Do you believe it has to be one or the other? How quaint.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    As I've said, I don't have a problem in theory with a lawsuit that attempts to draw some lines around Presidential authority. I don't have a problem with the actions on the ACA or immigration, but when Ted Cruz or someone comes into power, I likely will vehemently disagree as I did when Bush argued he had the authority to torture or hold Americans indefinitely without trial or counsel.

    But so long as Congress can check the POTUS, and they can (impeach, or through the courts or through the budgets) then we don't live under a Tyrant! Hitler was a tyrant - what we're discussing are essentially policy disputes. If you want to move it to the "national security" arena, where an all seeing surveillance apparatus has the potential for actual tyrannical abuse, then maybe we'd find some common ground.
    I begin to see that you pick and choose your tyrants carefully. This is not a policy dispute. The Tyrant voided the Constitution. If Congress does, in fact, "check the POTUS" then the tyranny is stopped. I do not believe they will. If they do not stop this monster then the tyranny will continue.

    I see for you it is either gas ovens or we do not have a tyrant.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    An Obama veto of an immigration bill would be fine with me as well. Give him the ball and let him refuse to run with it. I would be afraid of any immigration bill that the President WOULD sign. Nothing legislative is going to circumvent this executive order. It will have to be decided by third branch if its implementation is to be prevented.
    You are passing judgement on legislation not based upon the content of that legislation, but based upon your political bias against Obama. That's pretty much the definition of a "partisan hack".
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    You are passing judgement on legislation not based upon the content of that legislation, but based upon your political bias against Obama. That's pretty much the definition of a "partisan hack".
    IMO, this particular President is so far out in left field that I have no faith- zero- that he would ever sign legislation that is good for this country. The compromises within the legislation that would have to be made in order for this President to sign would be, to me, horribly bitter pills to swallow. I appreciate the "obstructionism" in Washington. No legislation is much better than legislation that satisfies the President.
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    IMO, this particular President is so far out in left field that I have no faith- zero- that he would ever sign legislation that is good for this country. The compromises within the legislation that would have to be made in order for this President to sign would be, to me, horribly bitter pills to swallow. I appreciate the "obstructionism" in Washington. No legislation is much better than legislation that satisfies the President.
    I have never seen the problem defined so well.

    Not your interpretation, of course, but your literal embodiment of the problem.
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