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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I was referring to enumerated powers and not US Code.
    And we can argue about that until the proverbial cows come home and get absolutely nowhere.

    So what law did Obama break?
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Like I said, I agree with you basically. And I'll just point out that if you want to acknowledge that republicans as a whole who consider Obama a "tyrant" didn't utter a peep of protest when the Bush lawyers were pushing the idea of the Unitary Executive and unchecked Commander in Chief, and now democrats who protested in the streets then aren't now that Obama is doing the same thing, and so both parties are full of hypocrites and love unchecked power when their guy exercises it in ways they like, but hate unchecked power when the other party's guy exercises power in ways they don't, I will agree with that as well.
    Yep, I think we are on the same page there as far as that goes...Hell, I was one during the last administration that was vocal in defending what, and how the Bush team consolidated his power to do things...Now that I have seen how that was used today, and even expanded on with these sorts of things, I can confidently say I was wrong then....My question to not necessarily you, but just out there is those backing this kind of thing with Obama today, won't like when a republican progressive gets in there and takes it to the next step....
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    But a Father of Lies who's a Constitutional Law Professor.
    And that makes it better somehow?

    How positively unprincipled and amoral.
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And we can argue about that until the proverbial cows come home and get absolutely nowhere.
    I agree that you would not get anywhere. I quite happy with my understanding, and I already addressed your question below.
    So what law did Obama break?

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I agree that you would not get anywhere. I quite happy with my understanding, and I already addressed your question below.
    That question is subterfuge...He already knows that it has been answered in the thread many times, and is ignoring the answer.
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can't answer for Mister, but isn't that the crux of this constant struggle between Presidential powers, and Congress's authority to originate legislation? Tell me, why this approach of Obama enacting what he thinks should be done, and daring congress to legislate isn't backwards, and absolutely driving in the direction of tyrannical regimes process you describe...
    As I've said, I don't have a problem in theory with a lawsuit that attempts to draw some lines around Presidential authority. I don't have a problem with the actions on the ACA or immigration, but when Ted Cruz or someone comes into power, I likely will vehemently disagree as I did when Bush argued he had the authority to torture or hold Americans indefinitely without trial or counsel.

    But so long as Congress can check the POTUS, and they can (impeach, or through the courts or through the budgets) then we don't live under a Tyrant! Hitler was a tyrant - what we're discussing are essentially policy disputes. If you want to move it to the "national security" arena, where an all seeing surveillance apparatus has the potential for actual tyrannical abuse, then maybe we'd find some common ground.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That question is subterfuge...He already knows that it has been answered in the thread many times, and is ignoring the answer.
    This is effort to allow the poster in question to do some posturing as a constitutional law scholar.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And that makes it better somehow?

    How positively unprincipled and amoral.
    Well if you want to believe that Obama is literally the wellspring from witch lies originate, then that's on you. I prefer not to join you guys in Crazytown.

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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well if you want to believe that Obama is literally the wellspring from witch lies originate, then that's on you. I prefer not to join you guys in Crazytown.
    So, you're ok with the dishonesty, and contempt shown toward the people this administration exhibits? That will be good to remember when a republican is in the WH next term.
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    Re: House GOP File Lawsuit Against Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I agree that you would not get anywhere. I quite happy with my understanding, and I already addressed your question below.
    What is there about the word WE that seems to befuddle you?
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