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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    EOs don't rewrite laws.
    This one does. That's why it's unconstitutional. It's why the PRESIDENT HIMSELF said it would be unconstitutional.


    That's not just crazy ole cpwill pointing that out. It's the New York Times, the Washington Post, and FactCheck.Org saying it.


    From the NY Times:

    WASHINGTON — President Obama is poised to ignore stark warnings that executive action on immigration would amount to “violating our laws” and would be “very difficult to defend legally.”

    Those warnings came not from Republican lawmakers but from Mr. Obama himself.

    For years, he has waved aside the demands of Latino activists and Democratic allies who begged him to act on his own, and he insisted publicly that a decision to shield millions of immigrants from deportation without an act of Congress would amount to nothing less than the dictates of a king, not a president...
    From the Washington Post:

    ...Question: Mr. President, my question will be as follows: With an executive order, could you be able to stop deportations of the students? And if that’s so, that links to another of the questions that we have received through univision.com. We have received hundreds, thousand, all related to immigration and the students. Kay Tomar through Univision.com told us — I’m reading — “What if at least you grant temporary protective status, TPS, to undocumented students? If the answer is yes, when? And if no, why not?”...

    Obama: Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

    With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

    There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President....
    From Factcheck.Org

    ...President Barack Obama tried to rewrite history by claiming that his position had not changed regarding legal authority for executive orders on immigration that he is now considering....


    Maria Elena Salinas of Univision: Now I know that you have reduced, this is another concern on Twitter, the number of deportations of non-criminals. However, in 2012 more than 184,000 non-criminals were deported. In the spirit of your push for immigration reform, would you consider a moratorium on deportations of non-criminals? Remember, these are your words: “This is not about policy. It’s about people.”

    Obama: Well, I think it is important to remind everybody that, as I said I think previously, and I’m not a king. I am the head of the executive branch of government. I’m required to follow the law...


    Obama: Halting Deportations "Not an Option" would be "Ignoring the Law"

    ...PRESIDENT OBAMA: Here's the problem that I have, Jose, and I've said this consistently, my job in the executive branch is supposed to be to carry out the laws that are passed. Congress has said 'here is the law' when it comes to those who are undocumented, and they've allocated a whole bunch of money for enforcement. And, what I have been able to do is make a legal argument that I think is absolutely right, which is that given the resources that we have, we can't do everything that Congress has asked us to do.

    What we can do is then carve out the DREAM Act, saying young people who have basically grown up here are Americans that we should welcome. We're not going to have them operate under a cloud, under a shadow. But if we start broadening that, then essentially I would be ignoring the law in a way that I think would be very difficult to defend legally. So that's not an option...

    You guys want me to go on with this?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yup. Given that it will be unreformed entitlements that cause it to become so.
    It's only funny because we told them so. Still, I'll laugh if it happens.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So no specific part of the constitution? Okay. I'll wait.



    So Obama doesn't have the power to change domestic policy through EOs?

    Executive orders: What they are and how they work.



    It seems that's exactly what the EO is being used for, and Congress is threatening to do exactly what it can threaten. None of that makes Obama's EO illegal. As I said, I'll wait for the lawsuits.
    For the last time, then I'm not going to waste anymore time tryong to educate you: the president can't change the law, via executive action.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This one does. That's why it's unconstitutional. It's why the PRESIDENT HIMSELF said it would be unconstitutional.
    Got a link with a direct quote?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    When your only tool is a hammer then you must address all problems as if they were nails.

    The only real powers that congress critters have over the POTUS is to control funding, override vetoes or to impeach. The repubicants lack the votes to do anything but to pass bills in the Senate and even that may require a demorat vote or two.
    So, they're forced to do their job if they don't like what the president is doing? The humanity. Maybe that was Obama's goal all along. If I was him, the second step would be to get to write a bill - veto it if it doesn't include any Democrat demands and when it comes back as a bipartisan bill, sign it into law.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So no specific part of the constitution? Okay. I'll wait.



    So Obama doesn't have the power to change domestic policy through EOs?

    Executive orders: What they are and how they work.



    It seems that's exactly what the EO is being used for, and Congress is threatening to do exactly what it can threaten. None of that makes Obama's EO illegal. As I said, I'll wait for the lawsuits.
    For the last time, then I'm not going to waste anymore time tryong to educate you: the president can't change the law, via executive action.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    For the last time, then I'm not going to waste anymore time tryong to educate you: the president can't change the law, via executive action.
    Are you telling us policy changes are not within the scope of what EOs can change?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This one does. That's why it's unconstitutional. It's why the PRESIDENT HIMSELF said it would be unconstitutional.
    Obama: This is how a democracy works.

    Fix: This is how a dictatorship works.

    Get it right Obama. At least admit that one man writing law and ignoring the will of the people is NOT democracy. You dick.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Grandstanding and claims by idiots like Cruz don't change much. Congressional Republicans have made the argument that they're not going to fund it. Well, that's within their power, but none of that makes Obama's EO illegal. Can you tell us what is illegal about it? Or you gonna do like Fenton?
    Maybe you should ask Obama himself what is illegal about it....

    "Consider his self-incriminating statements on immigration and executive powers. A year ago, when asked if he had the authority to end deportations of illegal aliens he said, “Actually, I don’t.” Three years earlier, when pressed as to why he could not act on his own on immigration he said, “The notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true.”

    Well, now the president says it is true -- he can alter the laws unilaterally. Why the metamorphosis? What changed? The law and the Constitution are still the same. Which leaves Obama. When it comes to the truth, inconvenient or otherwise, he is a chameleon like no other politician. He never hesitates to contradict himself, conjuring a new breadth of hypocrisy."

    Three things that are illegal about Obama's immigration plan | Fox News
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So, they're forced to do their job if they don't like what the president is doing? The humanity. Maybe that was Obama's goal all along. If I was him, the second step would be to get to write a bill - veto it if it doesn't include any Democrat demands and when it comes back as a bipartisan bill, sign it into law.
    It's their job, not the president's job.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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