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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So far, he has made a speech - was that illegal?
    It seems like there is a lot of talk by the Republican base that what Obama is doing is illegal. However, nobody in Congress seems to be ready to go any further than saying they'll defund it. I wonder why? Could it be that maybe they know this isn't as illegal as the base claims it is?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Please prove it. No subjective claims. I'd like to know which laws he broke, and why it is that nobody in congress has yet to come forward and say what he did was illegal. All everyone is thinking about doing is defunding the EO. Nobody wants to bring it to court. Much like when the ACA was being labelled unconstitutional and yet... here we are and there it is.
    The Constitution of The United States, is the law he broke; unless you can't point out the amendment, article, or section that gives the president to change the law via executive order. No subjective claims, stupid misinterpretations, nor talking points.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    How so? Can you be specific? Exactly what is he doing that is either not authorized by law or the powers granted him under the Constitution?
    Even better: you show us where he DOES have the power to change the law, via executive order.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Constitution of The United States, is the law he broke; unless you can't point out the amendment, article, or section that gives the president to change the law via executive order. No subjective claims, stupid misinterpretations, nor talking points.
    Apdst, you claimed he broke the law. I asked you which specific law and how. I didn't make a single claim about the legality of what he's doing. So again I ask:

    Which laws has he broken?

    He broke the US Constitution? LOL. Maybe if you had something other than Wi-fi, you'd be able to state which specific law was broken. By the way, policy changes have been enacted through EO before:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

    Large policy changes with wide-ranging effects have been effected through executive order, including the racial integration of the armed forces under Harry Truman and the desegregation of public schools under Dwight D. Eisenhower.
    Two extreme examples of an executive order are Franklin D. Roosevelt's Executive Order 6102 "forbidding the Hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States" and Executive Order 9066, where Roosevelt delegated military authority to remove any or all people in a military zone (used to target Japanese Americans and German Americans in certain regions).
    Executive Order 13233, issued by President George W. Bush in 2001, which restricted public access to the papers of former presidents, was criticized by the Society of American Archivists and other groups, stating that it "violates both the spirit and letter of existing U.S. law on access to presidential papers as clearly laid down in 44 USC. 2201–07
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Obama acted on his own as the legislative and executive branch violating the Constitution.

    Worse, he said if Congress wants to stop him all they have to do is pass a bill.

    Well, what if the Congressional Consensus is to deport these people ?

    Obama ignores it.
    I disagree. 3 previous Supreme Court decisions say that that those who enforce the laws are free to enforce them as they see fit.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It seems like there is a lot of talk by the Republican base that what Obama is doing is illegal. However, nobody in Congress seems to be ready to go any further than saying they'll defund it. I wonder why? Could it be that maybe they know this isn't as illegal as the base claims it is?

    Still waiting ?

    This post is just one more example.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Obama acted on his own as the legislative and executive branch violating the Constitution.

    Worse, he said if Congress wants to stop him all they have to do is pass a bill.

    Well, what if the Congressional Consensus is to deport these people ?

    Obama ignores it.
    Congress has no say in enforcement of the laws. That would be known as Congressional overreach. If Congress does not like it, then they should impeach Obama, which is the only remedy they have available at this time.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Still waiting ?

    This post is just one more example.
    Yep, still waiting. How am I justifying what he did by stating that nobody in Congress has yet to show how it is illegal? How is it justifying if I'm saying there is precedent? Personally, I don't care either way. I have barely any skin left in the US. However, I'm not enough of a partisan hack to buy what the base of any party says when the people who are actually in congress are muted in their response. Now, can you tell us where I justified what Obama is doing?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Apdst, you claimed he broke the law. I asked you which specific law and how. I didn't make a single claim about the legality of what he's doing. So again I ask:

    Which laws has he broken?

    He broke the US Constitution? LOL. Maybe if you had something other than Wi-fi, you'd be able to state which specific law was broken.
    Oh wow, now we have to explain to you that The Constitution is the law of the land and that violating The Constitution is illegal.

    Now, unless you can validate the president's authority to change the law, via executive order, you have no choice but to agree that this executive order is illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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