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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    That's a pretty broad answer.
    It's a pretty big problem

    By the way, I've spent a considerable amount of time overseas, and my wife is an immigrant that went through the proper channels after we were married, so I'm pretty familiar with the topic.
    I'm glad to hear that. Srsly
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

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    So in other words it is ok to break the laws of this land by entering this country illegally? Ever tried to enter another country illegally? Because the law isn't working to your satisfaction it apparently is ok to break it, enter the country illegally, take up residency here, take advantage of all this country has to offer and have your existence taken care of by the American taxpayer?
    Many undocumented aliens entered the country legally and then overstayed on their visa, which is not a crime.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Except that the overwhelming majority did NOT want it done the way Obama just did it...
    But they want it done

    That is simply untrue.
    It is absolutely true

    And makes the current soft job market worse by introducing 5 million more low skilled into it...Yeah, doesn't sound like a benefit for Americans....Face it, it was a bald faced political move....The new congress will smack his hands....
    Undocumented aliens are ineligible for work authorization. Legal immigration benefits the economy
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Many undocumented aliens entered the country legally and then overstayed on their visa, which is not a crime.
    Really? Guess the law is what you want to make it when you want to make it. Overstaying their visa is indeed a crime.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by timslash View Post
    Obama Announces Sweeping Changes to Immigration Policy - NBC News


    Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million - The Washington Post

    Well, our dear Mr. President still going his own way, which only he can understand.



    He also said that majority of Americans supports immigration policy. WHAT?! Hmm, when the "majority" become "7 states"?

    Also, Fed announced an end to Quantitative Easing BO increased the labor force for low wage jobs by 8%.
    And i think 5 mln immigrants will provoke decreasing again! 5 mln of low-qualified workers will also provoke sad situation not only with workplaces!

    Well, let's wait and see!
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    Doesn't do any good to keep sending illegals back or deporting them, isn't there a statistic that says most sent back or deported come back, again and again? Congress needs to come up with a immigration bill, but they won't touch it because they're afraid of their constituents, if the favor or don't favor.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? Guess the law is what you want to make it when you want to make it. Overstaying their visa is indeed a crime.
    How is that done? I knew a woman from the UK that was here for 15 years. The family living next door to me has been here for 14 years. How does one over stay a visa? Or, do people just pay attorneys to stay here?

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I believe you're incorrect as to what an EO is. An EO as I understand is a directive from the president to agencies that report to him on what he wants them to do. It is roughly equivalent to an order from a boss to an underling. Roughly because EOs carry the force of law.

    I've pointed out before that presidents historically have significant leeway in deciding what laws to enforce. It's always been that way because they don't have unlimited manpower and money to enforce every law law on the books. Police departments have the same leeway. So do mayors, governors and prosecutors. That's reality.

    Additionally congress gave the president, though his attorney general legal authority to give illegal immigrants work visas - I've quoted the relevant statute somewhere in this thread. Not only does that give the president the legal authority to do what he's doing it's an obvious admission on Congress' part that the President doesn't necessarily have to deport everyone who's here illegally.
    So tell me, what Immigration Reform law(s) has BO's EO on Immigration Reform clarified or directed his 'underlings' to enforce or not enforce?

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) The issue isn't so much between the two houses of congress as it is between the right and everyone else. The right adamantly refuses to pass a bill that includes a "path to citizenship" (aka "amnesty") even though a majority of americans (and a number of republicans in congress) support one. The House (dominated by the right) won't consider a bill that includes one and the Senate (dominated by moderates and liberals) won't consider a bill that does not include one... 4, 5, & 6) There is nothing unconstitutional about Obama's actions. The immigration laws on the books, passed by Congress, grant various Federal officers (President, AG, Sec'y of DHS) the authority to do the things they have done.

    No laws are being written by Obama. Laws are being followed and adhered to....
    If you wish to debate, I'll gladly debate. I you wish to spin, I'll say bye bye. BTW, which previous Immigration Reform law(s) is BO clarifying or directing his 'underlings' to enforce or not enforce with his EO on immigration? Maybe it's a clarification or even a refusal to prosecute the law that states children of undocumenteds that are born in the US become US citizens? If BO refuses to prosecute that law, you do realize children of undocumenteds born in the US WOULD NOT automatically become US citizens, don't you (sometimes you have to resort to concrete thinking to get through)? No..that isn't correct because that law didn't deal with the PARENTS of children of undocumenteds born in the US as BO's EO did. The immigration law BO refers to with his EO on immigration is actually just BO's own sense of social justice.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    BO constantly said while issuing his EO on immigration: the families shouldn't be broken up. That's not clarifying or electing to prosecute or not prosecute an existing law. That's BO's own sense of social justice that he's put into American law. I don't see that ability anywhere in The Constitution where the prez has that authority.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Don't get me wrong: I think the current system of immigration is unworkable. That doesn't give the president the right to selectively enforce the laws on the books because it fits his or view of social justice (as already stated above, thank you).

    What gets lost in this debate is the following:

    Why the immigrants are coming here?
    Can we truly identify who they are?
    Are they looking for work or to serve as productive members of society?
    Who pays for their healthcare?
    Who pays for their education?

    These are a few of the reasons why immigration reform in the way that the president is doing it is resisted by many.


    To the wise eye, the end game of the Democratic Party seems to be fundamentally changing the electoral makeup of the country to an uneducated, unskilled population incapable distinguishing political rhetoric from reality which exacerbates the issue of an increasing wealth gap and puts an unsustainable long-term burden on entitlement programs. I venture to say that if it weren't for the massive increases of entitlement spending since 1965, we would not be having this conversation as we would want people to be reunited with their families. We would want people to find a way to work and be prosperous. We would want people to support their families back home and take the lessons they had learned about what makes America so desirable back to their own countries. As it sits, both parties are greedy to the point of stupidity and are running us into the ground by not looking at the deeper issues.

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