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Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

One hundred per cent of all the people who have entered the United States illegally have committed a crime. It really is one of the easier stats to understand.

No one's contesting that. It's as obvious as it is irrelevant to the discussion.

There's a good probability that both you and I will violate or have already violated some Federal statute and won't be prosecuted simply because there are tens of thousands of federal laws and regulations that apply to us.

The executive selectively enforces laws because there isn't enough people or money to enforce all of them. That's reality.
 
But they want it done



It is absolutely true



Undocumented aliens are ineligible for work authorization. Legal immigration benefits the economy
They may want it dealt with but I say again, NOT THE WAY OBAMA JUST DID IT. Just because you think it was taking too long you can't just change the law.
 
No one's contesting that. It's as obvious as it is irrelevant to the discussion.

There's a good probability that both you and I will violate or have already violated some Federal statute and won't be prosecuted simply because there are tens of thousands of federal laws and regulations that apply to us.

The executive selectively enforces laws because there isn't enough people or money to enforce all of them. That's reality.
My understanding is that even when authorities discover illegals, even those who have committed crimes, they are often not arrested or deported. Is this true?
 
No one's contesting that. It's as obvious as it is irrelevant to the discussion.

There's a good probability that both you and I will violate or have already violated some Federal statute and won't be prosecuted simply because there are tens of thousands of federal laws and regulations that apply to us.

The executive selectively enforces laws because there isn't enough people or money to enforce all of them. That's reality.
Don't you think that's a problem?
 
You're right. The fact that you think the immigrantion system we have is unworkable doesn't give the president any power to do anything. What gives him that power is the law. I have already posted (several times in fact) the laws which grant the president the power to do what Obama has done. Chanting "He doesn't have the power to change the law" doesn't change the fact that Congress voted to give POTUS the power to do what Obama has done.

Selective enforcement of the law is what is happening. I hardly think that was intended by any power given to the POTUS, and it makes any debate about immigration policy pretty much pointless, if the POTUS is going to simply enforce what he wants to. This is the kind of stuff impeachments are made from.
 
They may want it dealt with but I say again, NOT THE WAY OBAMA JUST DID IT.

I have already stipulated that this is true, so i don't know why you think repeating it is somehow significant

Just because you think it was taking too long you can't just change the law.

No law was changed.
 
Selective enforcement of the law is what is happening.

So now, the problem isn't all the undocumented aliens; the problem is selective enforcement.

IMO, selective enforcement is A Good Thing and it happens every day in all areas of the law.

I hardly think that was intended by any power given to the POTUS,

I would argue that the fact that Congress voted for a law which explicitly gives him that power proves that it is exactly what was intended.

and it makes any debate about immigration policy pretty much pointless, if the POTUS is going to simply enforce what he wants to. This is the kind of stuff impeachments are made from.

No, it's not pointless. If Congress wants to, they can pass a law which revokes this power

And I encourage every republican and right winger to call for impeachment.
 
My understanding is that even when authorities discover illegals, even those who have committed crimes, they are often not arrested or deported. Is this true?

I can't speak of what happens whether an illegal is arrested for committing a crime - here meaning something other than being in the country illegally. I would assume they're arrested and dealt with by the local police but I really don't know.

What I do know is that the president - any president - is well within his authority to manage his resources as he sees fit.
 
Don't you think that's a problem?

It is. It's a problem of a bloated Federal system. At this stage of the game we probably can't hire enough federal cops and judges to deal with what would happen if we decided to actually prosecute everyone who breaks federal law. I also guess we'd have a revolution on our hands if we did.
 
Selective enforcement of the law is what is happening. I hardly think that was intended by any power given to the POTUS, and it makes any debate about immigration policy pretty much pointless, if the POTUS is going to simply enforce what he wants to. This is the kind of stuff impeachments are made from.

It was alway the intention. Every executive, be it POTUD, a governor a mayor a police chief whatever has the power to determine priorities and allocate resources to meet those priorities. It has always been that way.
 
It was alway the intention. Every executive, be it POTUD, a governor a mayor a police chief whatever has the power to determine priorities and allocate resources to meet those priorities. It has always been that way.

It's almost as if some people live in a bubble

" I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"
 
It was alway the intention. Every executive, be it POTUD, a governor a mayor a police chief whatever has the power to determine priorities and allocate resources to meet those priorities. It has always been that way.

Well, if POTUS doesn't enforce it because we don't have the resources, that's once thing. Not enforcing it because it runs counter to political beliefs? I wonder what would happen if the president started to quit enforcing those pesky laws related to civil rights?
 
I have already stipulated that this is true, so i don't know why you think repeating it is somehow significant

I'm glad we agree...

No law was changed.

Then tell me why Obama said this:



Obama to immigration hecklers: "I just took an action to change the law”
 
It is. It's a problem of a bloated Federal system. At this stage of the game we probably can't hire enough federal cops and judges to deal with what would happen if we decided to actually prosecute everyone who breaks federal law. I also guess we'd have a revolution on our hands if we did.

I agree the system is bloated, and I'll even go one further and say it doesn't matter which political party is in there concerning this subject because BOTH parties have had a hand in building the system to what it is...What I see as the problem, is that we are approaching, if not there already, a time where anyone, at any time can be stopped by Federal authorities, and taken off the streets, only to have charges thought up later, because after all we all have broken some statute without possibly even knowing it...Great tool for getting rid of political enemies in a burgeoning authoritarian society....
 
I agree the system is bloated, and I'll even go one further and say it doesn't matter which political party is in there concerning this subject because BOTH parties have had a hand in building the system to what it is...What I see as the problem, is that we are approaching, if not there already, a time where anyone, at any time can be stopped by Federal authorities, and taken off the streets, only to have charges thought up later, because after all we all have broken some statute without possibly even knowing it...Great tool for getting rid of political enemies in a burgeoning authoritarian society....

I agree and unfortunately think we're already there.
 
Well, if POTUS doesn't enforce it because we don't have the resources, that's once thing. Not enforcing it because it runs counter to political beliefs? I wonder what would happen if the president started to quit enforcing those pesky laws related to civil rights?

Political beliefs play into it insofar as Presidents have agendas and those agendas are driven by their beliefs as to whats right and wrong with the country.

If I'm president and I think enforcing federal civil rights laws is more important than enforcing federal firearms laws and I only have enough people/money to do one or the other it's pretty obvious what I'm gonna do end the money on.
 
Simple = because he's a politician

The fact that a politician says something doesn't mean that it is true


Oh my, *facepalm*.... I don't even think you believe that...
 
I think we both believe it

Do you believe that everything a politician says is true?

No, ofcourse not, but you seem pretty selective in what you choose to believe or not believe coming out of a politicians mouth...For instance this gaff of Obama's that I pointed out to you. See, you will go down this road because after days, and post after post of you supporters arguing that he didn't change the law, he himself changed the law...Then you are forced to look foolish and talk about how politicians lie...How convenient for you...Excpet, that it is out loud laughable....
 
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