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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    How about you think about sticking to the topic instead of going on ludicrous off-topic rants? An Executive Order is an Executive Order. Get over it.
    Yes, an Executive Order is an Executive Order.

    Good for you.!

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    That video is awesome teaching tool.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, like the Democrat Controlled Senate and the 76-23 vote supporting the action in Iraq plus all the Democrat Congressional Representatives on record long before Bush took office in support of the Iraq Liberation Act. It doesn't seem that those facts matter to people like you who don't want to believe anything that flies in the face of your opinions or those of the wacko left.
    You can always tell when Conservative is outflanked as he retreats into obfuscation. I stated that the previous administration played on the stupidity of the American electorate in selling the Iraq War. I specifically cited (with references) how they misled the public by carefully integrating the terms Iraq and Al Qaeda in speeches such that the dumb electorate did not know the difference. You did not refute this point, instead you offered up this nonsense which is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Nice try!

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You can always tell when Conservative is outflanked as he retreats into obfuscation. I stated that the previous administration played on the stupidity of the American electorate in selling the Iraq War. I specifically cited (with references) how they misled the public by carefully integrating the terms Iraq and Al Qaeda in speeches such that the dumb electorate did not know the difference. You did not refute this point, instead you offered up this nonsense which is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Nice try!
    Really? The Iraq Liberation Act was in 1998, the vote in the Senate was the vote by elected officials and under Control of Democrats, the evidence they had was the same evidence that President Bush had, the Butler Commission and the 9/11 Commission along with world intelligence supported the Administration, there are scores of Democrat lawmakers that made case against Saddam Hussein and yet nothing is ever going to change your mind.

    You have way too much time invested in ignorance. Gruber was talking about the electorate not the Congressional leaders who had the facts. Have you noticed that Democrats wanted the issue but not their words posted? Have you noticed that Democrats claimed Bush lied and mislead Congress but never brought charges against Bush? Why don't you ask yourself why? Do you really think that they wanted their words on the record? No, they played on people like you and you continue to buy the claims and ignore the actual information.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? The Iraq Liberation Act was in 1998, the vote in the Senate was the vote by elected officials and under Control of Democrats, the evidence they had was the same evidence that President Bush had, the Butler Commission and the 9/11 Commission along with world intelligence supported the Administration, there are scores of Democrat lawmakers that made case against Saddam Hussein and yet nothing is ever going to change your mind.

    You have way too much time invested in ignorance. Gruber was talking about the electorate not the Congressional leaders who had the facts. Have you noticed that Democrats wanted the issue but not their words posted? Have you noticed that Democrats claimed Bush lied and mislead Congress but never brought charges against Bush? Why don't you ask yourself why? Do you really think that they wanted their words on the record? No, they played on people like you and you continue to buy the claims and ignore the actual information.
    When you miss a point, you miss a point. You are way off on a tangent. My point was NEVER about how the Iraq war came to be.... it was about how the Bush Administration played on American ignorance (or stupidity) in using language to sell the war. My point was it is silly to be outraged that Obama is doing this as every elected official counts on ignorance in designing their messaging.

    Again, since you can not address this point head-on, in debate theory I can take this as a concession of the point. No need to reply unless you can finally come up with something on -topic to say. These consistent wanderings off topic do no one any good.

    Somehow, I know you will be unable to not respond as in your mind its the last post that wins the argument; yet you will be unable to respond on topic, because you really have no retort.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 11-25-14 at 08:22 PM.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    When you miss a point, you miss a point. You are way off on a tangent. My point was NEVER about how the Iraq war came to be.... it was about how the Bush Administration played on American ignorance (or stupidity) in using language to sell the war. My point was it is silly to be outraged that Obama is doing this as every elected official counts on ignorance in designing their messaging.

    Again, since you can not address this point head-on, in debate theory I can take this as a concession of the point. No need to reply unless you can finally come up with something on -topic to say. These consistent wanderings off topic to no one any good. Somehow, I know you will have to respond because in you mind the one that posts last wins the argument,
    It doesn't matter what language Bush used, the Congress authorized it. Do I need to post all the Democrat Congressional Reps. quotes again, many prior to Bush taking office? Gruber got it right and that speaks volumes about people like you. Bush lost the Congress in 2006 and Republicans lost the WH in 2008 so want to change your claim about the ignorance of the American people since many agreed with you?

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It doesn't matter what language Bush used, the Congress authorized it. Do I need to post all the Democrat Congressional Reps. quotes again, many prior to Bush taking office? Gruber got it right and that speaks volumes about people like you. Bush lost the Congress in 2006 and Republicans lost the WH in 2008 so want to change your claim about the ignorance of the American people since many agreed with you?
    Just as I predicted, ya gotta have the last word, even if its off topic. I know you too well. The last word is yours; go ahead and post, I rest my case.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Again what Obama is doing is legal. I've pointed to his statutory authority for doing so. He is not changing immigration, he is choosing not to enforce it and he is choosing to except illegals from the identification and status requirements of employment law which again he can legally do through the Attorney General.
    then what he isn't doing is legal it is his job to enforce the law whether he likes it or not. he is changing immigration on who can be deported when the law says that these people have to be deported. he is doing it without congressional approval which is a violation of the constitution since the president doesn't have the power to change law.

    An EO is only to be used to clarify an existing law where there is ambiguity and or something that needs to be explained.
    the current immigration law does not have this therefore he changed the law itself.

    he cannot hand out work visa's or anything else that is the realm of the congress to do not Obama.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Obama admits to changing the law. This is an admission of guilt.

    Obama Puzzled by Pro-Amnesty Hecklers: 'I Just Took an Action to Change the Law!'
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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