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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You are not very well informed...

    Other recent precedents have been part of the contemporary debate. In 1985, during the administration of Republican President Ronald Reagan, Congress passed a reform bill that shielded some 3 million immigrants from deportation. The bill, however, did not include family members and Reagan responded to this flaw by halting the deportation of their children without waiting for Congress to act. In fact, Congress failed to act during his tenure and Reagan's Republican successor, George H. W. Bush, acted unilaterally to protect families from breakup through deportation. Democratic President Bill Clinton and Republican President George W. Bush also used presidential powers to make policy on immigration.

    linkypoo...

    Reagan and Bush Sr. both used executive order to circumvent congress' do nothing on the topic. What say you about the constitutionality of that?
    'Fraid not, neighbor.

    Reagan and Bush Offer No Precedent for Obama's Amnesty Order - Atlantic Mobile
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Translation: I can't answer so...
    I've already answered.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Pardon everyone if they scoff at a story made up by GW Bush's speechwriter. I'll stick with facts instead. Like that fact they that they did in fact use executive orders to expand upon the amnesty law.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I haven't moved on to anything else. I showed why SCOTUS would back Obama on this and how precedent plays a role on the fact that it's very unlikely the GOP will get more than whining and a bill out of it.



    What part of this is problematic for you: Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all.
    Only where the actual federal law says they have this leeway to decide. Take that away and the decision is out of the executive's hands.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Pardon everyone if they scoff at a story made up by GW Bush's speechwriter. I'll stick with facts instead. Like that fact they that they did in fact use executive orders to expand upon the amnesty law.
    Reagan and Bush acted within the spirit abd framework of an existing bill.

    GW's speech writer has more credibikity than anyone in the Obama Regime. The same regime that relied on stupid people to support Obamacare are relying in stupid people to support executive amnesty.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Reagan and Bush acted within the spirit abd framework of an existing bill.

    GW's speech writer has more credibikity than anyone in the Obama Regime. The same regime that relied on stupid people to support Obamacare are relying in stupid people to support executive amnesty.
    .... as opposed to those that relied on stupid people to support a war in Iraq, by repeatedly using Iraq and Al Qaeda in the same sentence so many times that a large part of the population were led (and I emphasize the use of the word "led") to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11....

    https://sgadaria.expressions.syr.edu...ff_Kushner.pdf

    face it, the American voter is uneducated.



    Speaking of uneducated voters, Obama's actions this week did not grant amnesty to anyone.....
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    .... as opposed to those that relied on stupid people to support a war in Iraq, by repeatedly using Iraq and Al Qaeda in the same sentence so many times that a large part of the population were led (and I emphasize the use of the word "led") to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11....

    https://sgadaria.expressions.syr.edu...ff_Kushner.pdf

    face it, the American voter is uneducated.



    Speaking of uneducated voters, Obama's actions this week did not grant amnesty to anyone.....
    If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    .... as opposed to those that relied on stupid people to support a war in Iraq, by repeatedly using Iraq and Al Qaeda in the same sentence so many times that a large part of the population were led (and I emphasize the use of the word "led") to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11....

    https://sgadaria.expressions.syr.edu...ff_Kushner.pdf

    face it, the American voter is uneducated.



    Speaking of uneducated voters, Obama's actions this week did not grant amnesty to anyone.....
    Yes, like the Democrat Controlled Senate and the 76-23 vote supporting the action in Iraq plus all the Democrat Congressional Representatives on record long before Bush took office in support of the Iraq Liberation Act. It doesn't seem that those facts matter to people like you who don't want to believe anything that flies in the face of your opinions or those of the wacko left.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Pardon everyone if they scoff at a story made up by GW Bush's speechwriter. I'll stick with facts instead. Like that fact they that they did in fact use executive orders to expand upon the amnesty law.
    If you did any investigating you'd see that the facts are not on your side. Think of the run-up to Obamacare, but this time be a little more cynical.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Reagan and Bush acted within the spirit abd framework of an existing bill.
    They acted out of executive order... just as Obama has. It's no different no matter the spin you want to put on it.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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