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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

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    OK, so according to you, it's OK to break the law if you are only doing it a little. LOL.
    You're done.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, cpwill.

    So what changed his thinking since 2011? Did he become King somewhere along the way? If so, I guess I missed it! I don't think he would be happy as King anyway - they have pesky Parliaments to deal with!
    He's hinted a time or two, I think, that he envies the Chinese Premier, who is effectively an autocrat.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Granting an EAD card is not a negative action. Obama is going far beyond not prosecuting immigration law violations he is redefining what qualifies a person to get/extend an EAD card.
    The law grants him the power to do that just as the law allows him to defer deportations.

    IOW, he is merely exercising powers that Congress has delegated to him.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In general you are correct as to the law except that the Attorney General is authorized to make exceptions. Link: 8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute the exception is the
    very last provision. So the AG has it within his power to wave a magic wand and except every illegal immigrant from the employment provisions of the law.

    As to how that's implemented, don't know. No idea what administrative procedures would need to be used or how much it would cost.
    I'm going from memory here, but I think it's Sec 1103 that grants the AG the power to issue regulations as to how to exercise the powers granted to him by the various laws. IOW, the AG himself decides what admin procedures would be needed and used.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Rest assured that using these "limited resources" to focus on granting amnesty to illegal aliens now in the US will not help speed up the processing of legal immigrant applicants who are patiently waiting outside the US. This is not so much about immigration reform but simply pandering to a base of morons that see no logical distinction between those that obey the law and those that do not. It will accelerate the "need" to enter the US illegally in order to get faster service from DHS. These amnesty now folks constantly assert that no head of line privileges will result yet any moron can see that is completely false.
    Since the presidents actions do not affect those who have been in the country for less than five years (as of now), it will have no effect on anyone who enters the country in the future. Therefore, there is no acceleration of any "need". The presidents actions do not provide any sort of benefit for those who have not yet made it into the US
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? The immigration law specifically requires application from OUTSIDE the US except for very narrowly defined refugee and asylum seekers. Obama does not like that law so he is changing the very meaning of the law to "laser focus" on areas that have no basis in the immigration law as written. Prosecutorial discretion is far different than changing immigration law; not arresting an unlicensed driver is far different than giving them a license.
    The immigration laws also specifically grant the President, the AG, and the Sec'y of HHS broad powers to exempt immigrants from deportation and allow them to work in the US. It requires no change to the text or the meaning of any laws in order for them to do so.

    Gaius has even linked to the very laws which grant the executive branch those powers.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    An illegal is stopped by the cops and the cops ask how long that person has been in the US the illegal replies more than five years. The cop cannot prove otherwise and the illegal is not required to prove so the illegal goes about their business. American tragedy.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    You should have continued reading, rather than stopping after you saw what you wanted to see.



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    USCIS obtains over 80% of its funding from fee revenue. After consistently declining from
    FY2003 to FY2008, the portion of USCIS’s budget from appropriations increased consistently for
    fiscal years 2009, 2010, and 2011. In its FY2011 budget, the agency has requested additional
    funds to defray the cost of military naturalizations and refugee and asylee applications, thereby
    shifting this cost from immigration service applicants to U.S. taxpayers. Although the agency has
    been appropriated several hundred million dollars in the past decade, these appropriations have
    largely been directed toward specific projects
    , such as the backlog reduction initiative.
    Consequently, USCIS fee revenue must cover overhead and adjudication costs for the agency to
    operate efficiently.



    http://www.ilw.com/immigrationdaily/...1,0421-crs.pdf
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're done.
    Translation: I can't answer so...

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, the difference is, Reagan acted legally, when he signed a bill, passed by Congress.
    You are not very well informed...

    Other recent precedents have been part of the contemporary debate. In 1985, during the administration of Republican President Ronald Reagan, Congress passed a reform bill that shielded some 3 million immigrants from deportation. The bill, however, did not include family members and Reagan responded to this flaw by halting the deportation of their children without waiting for Congress to act. In fact, Congress failed to act during his tenure and Reagan's Republican successor, George H. W. Bush, acted unilaterally to protect families from breakup through deportation. Democratic President Bill Clinton and Republican President George W. Bush also used presidential powers to make policy on immigration.

    linkypoo...

    Reagan and Bush Sr. both used executive order to circumvent congress' do nothing on the topic. What say you about the constitutionality of that?
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