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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by timslash View Post
    Obama Announces Sweeping Changes to Immigration Policy - NBC News


    Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million - The Washington Post

    Well, our dear Mr. President still going his own way, which only he can understand.



    He also said that majority of Americans supports immigration policy. WHAT?! Hmm, when the "majority" become "7 states"?

    Also, Fed announced an end to Quantitative Easing BO increased the labor force for low wage jobs by 8%.
    And i think 5 mln immigrants will provoke decreasing again! 5 mln of low-qualified workers will also provoke sad situation not only with workplaces!

    Well, let's wait and see!
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    Now that this has been done, I look forward to the day a Republican president will decree a flat tax of 10%, and closing down a number of agencies.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    immigration officials Obama is not an immigration official, and the reason that they gave them that power is because they hear all stories and find out the reason why.
    that doesn't give the president the right to change immigration law which is exactly what he did.

    he said do not deport these groups of people when the law says otherwise.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    immigration officials Obama is not an immigration official, and the reason that they gave them that power is because they hear all stories and find out the reason why.
    that doesn't give the president the right to change immigration law which is exactly what he did.

    he said do not deport these groups of people when the law says otherwise.
    I wish you'd stop selecting what information you want to read:

    Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all.
    Please tell me you're not going to argue that Obama is not a federal official. It's tedious to argue with someone who believes their subjective opinion to be the truth. Again, no law was changed. An exception was granted. This is no different than anything which has been done historically by about 6 previous presidents.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That may be your take on the matter, but that is not Obama's take on the matter. The law of the land is not that one can legally hire those that are not now selected for deportation by ICE; they are unable to legally hire those without legal immigration status - which is not the same thing. What that requires is an EAD card which is good for two years from its date of issue. How all of that can be done for 4 to 5 million folks with "current resources" has not been explained. Clearly that requires lots of federal manpower that is supposed to be doing other things per current congressional funding.

    DACA and Workplace Rights - National Immigration Law Center
    In general you are correct as to the law except that the Attorney General is authorized to make exceptions. Link: 8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute the exception is the
    very last provision. So the AG has it within his power to wave a magic wand and except every illegal immigrant from the employment provisions of the law.

    As to how that's implemented, don't know. No idea what administrative procedures would need to be used or how much it would cost.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Had Obama just stopped there he would have been within his power. What he did, though, was lay out a path for them 'to come out of the shadows.' He laid out who qualifies and what they need to do. That is making law. Something a president lacks the power to do. There is really no debate about this. Obama, himself, made that argument. He simply went against the Constitution because he knew he could get away with it. You cant possibly think it coincidental that he waited until after his own re-election and the congressional elections to announce this. The speech he gave is what a president would do when he is trying to gain public support for congressional action. It is not something a US president should do on his own and without the consent of the American people. There is no excuse for this other than a naked grab for power.

    The Attorney General has broad statutory authority under the law that applies to illegal immigrants and workplace to except any illegals he wants to from its provisions. See the statute I referenced in the post above this one. Obama is probably on solid ground legally. Whether he should is an open question but he is most probably on very solid legal ground.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In general you are correct as to the law except that the Attorney General is authorized to make exceptions. Link: 8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute the exception is the
    very last provision. So the AG has it within his power to wave a magic wand and except every illegal immigrant from the employment provisions of the law.

    As to how that's implemented, don't know. No idea what administrative procedures would need to be used or how much it would cost.
    Rest assured that using these "limited resources" to focus on granting amnesty to illegal aliens now in the US will not help speed up the processing of legal immigrant applicants who are patiently waiting outside the US. This is not so much about immigration reform but simply pandering to a base of morons that see no logical distinction between those that obey the law and those that do not. It will accelerate the "need" to enter the US illegally in order to get faster service from DHS. These amnesty now folks constantly assert that no head of line privileges will result yet any moron can see that is completely false.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    According to who? Obama? I'm thinking this may be another scenario where relies on the stupidity of his base.
    Not enforcing a law against someone today is not the same thing as saying "you can never be prosecuted for it." Obama's successor can legally deport every illegal the day after he's sworn in. What Obama has done has not changed that.

    Look at it this way. Even if he granted amnesty, which he hasn't, but assume he did, the illegals violate immigration law every day they are here. Presidents cannot grant amnesty for crimes not yet committed. So on day 2 of a new administration every illegal once again violates immigration law and can be deported for that.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Rest assured that using these "limited resources" to focus on granting amnesty to illegal aliens now in the US will not help speed up the processing of legal immigrant applicants who are patiently waiting outside the US. This is not so much about immigration reform but simply pandering to a base of morons that see no logical distinction between those that obey the law and those that do not. It will accelerate the "need" to enter the US illegally in order to get faster service from DHS. These amnesty now folks constantly assert that no head of line privileges will result yet any moron can see that is completely false.
    Fair enough. We can argue the wisdom of what's he doing. We really can't argue the legality as far as I can tell.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Fair enough. We can argue the wisdom of what's he doing. We really can't argue the legality as far as I can tell.
    Are you kidding me? The immigration law specifically requires application from OUTSIDE the US except for very narrowly defined refugee and asylum seekers. Obama does not like that law so he is changing the very meaning of the law to "laser focus" on areas that have no basis in the immigration law as written. Prosecutorial discretion is far different than changing immigration law; not arresting an unlicensed driver is far different than giving them a license.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? The immigration law specifically requires application from OUTSIDE the US except for very narrowly defined refugee and asylum seekers. Obama does not like that law so he is changing the very meaning of the law to "laser focus" on areas that have no basis in the immigration law as written. Prosecutorial discretion is far different than changing immigration law; not arresting an unlicensed driver is far different than giving them a license.
    Again what Obama is doing is legal. I've pointed to his statutory authority for doing so. He is not changing immigration, he is choosing not to enforce it and he is choosing to except illegals from the identification and status requirements of employment law which again he can legally do through the Attorney General.
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