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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hyperbolic statements and nothing more.

    EO are to clarify any ambiguity in a law or to clear up any misconception in an existing law.
    EO's cannot change law they cannot add to laws they cannot create new laws.

    The fact that many EOs can be cited doing far more than that makes the above statement a half truth.



    More subjectivity? I'm shocked.



    And yet, all congress can do is defund his EO.



    Lol... for what? What SCOTUS has stated is within his power to do? You're silly.
    for not enforcing immigration laws and overstepping his authority. which he has said he doesn't have the power to do what he just did.
    so the only one silly here are people defending a rogue president.

    the president cannot re-write law and that is exactly what he did. only congress can edit and or add or re-write laws. EO cannot.
    in the end it won't matter either the court system will stop him or congress won't fund him and the jester is meaningless since well he still won't get his way.

    the president also can't issue green cards or work visas or anything else those are solely by the responsibility of congress.
    the court has stopped him before on his power grabs and they will do so again.

    states should have the lawsuit this week. so the only person looking silly will be the president again.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    for not enforcing immigration laws
    He's not the first or last president who will do so.

    and overstepping his authority. which he has said he doesn't have the power to do what he just did.
    so the only one silly here are people defending a rogue president.

    the president cannot re-write law and that is exactly what he did. only congress can edit and or add or re-write laws. EO cannot.
    in the end it won't matter either the court system will stop him or congress won't fund him and the jester is meaningless since well he still won't get his way.

    the president also can't issue green cards or work visas or anything else those are solely by the responsibility of congress.
    the court has stopped him before on his power grabs and they will do so again.

    states should have the lawsuit this week. so the only person looking silly will be the president again.
    tl/dr. Your claims are subjective. Whether you like it or not, Obama didn't rewrite laws. He took the same approach historically used by at least 5 different presidents and created an exception to them. The fact that none of those other have been attacked makes Congress' likeliness to do more than defund the EOs unlikely.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    El Wrongo!! Here's 3 EO actions that Ronald Reagan unilaterally took.

    Signed: September 29, 1981 - Executive Order 12324 - Changes to the policy for interdiction of illegal aliens.

    Signed: January 21, 1982 - Executive Order 12341 - Cuban and Haitian entrants.

    Signed: February 2, 1987 - Executive Order 12582 - Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign.
    And in none of those cases did those orders effect millions of random illegal aliens. Therein lies the difference.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Utter bull****. Both Reagan and Clinton made exceptions to the law based on nothing more than politics. Them being refugees makes not an ounce of difference.
    Show us where they changed a law by use of executive order, or action. Be specific and tell us what law they changed.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, apdst.

    I'm waiting to see the long lines of illegals eager to come out of hiding to comply. If they have jobs, they are probably being paid under the table, and get to keep all the money they earn to spend as they please. Why would they want to change that and start paying taxes now? I seriously doubt they fear being deported at this time, so where's the incentive? They aren't American, so that means they aren't stupid, right? :
    Illegals are going to flowing across the border like black birds.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You didn't give me your criteria for when it's ok to change the law via executive order.
    And out of desperation, you keep asking the same stupid question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's not the first or last president who will do so.



    tl/dr. Your claims are subjective. Whether you like it or not, Obama didn't rewrite laws. He took the same approach historically used by at least 5 different presidents and created an exception to them. The fact that none of those other have been attacked makes Congress' likeliness to do more than defund the EOs unlikely.
    nope claims are backed by the constitution. you know that think that say there is a separation of powers and lists the presidential duties to uphold the law.
    nope no other president has done what he has done you are wrong.

    if they don't they will lose in the next election.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And in none of those cases did those orders effect millions of random illegal aliens. Therein lies the difference.
    I do believe they cleared up ambiguous wording in the original law of which there was question.

    he obviously didn't read any of these orders lol that is what is so funny.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us where they changed a law by use of executive order, or action. Be specific and tell us what law they changed.
    Apdst, I'm not proving a law was changed because I've never even come close to claiming that. As a matter of fact, I've been arguing the exact opposite. This probably has to be the dumbest way for you to try and get someone else to prove your non-existent point. I've been arguing that A) Obama is well within historical precedent and B) no law was changed/rewritten or otherwise. Now, demanding information when your best response to what law Obama broke was "the constitution" is a bit ironic. Specially when you're so terribly dishonest you're actually trying to get others to prove what you've so far been unable to.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    nope claims are backed by the constitution. you know that think that say there is a separation of powers and lists the presidential duties to uphold the law. nope no other president has done what he has done you are wrong. if they don't they will lose in the next election.
    Sigh. Justice Kennedy everyone:

    Think Obama Is Behaving Like A Dictator On Immigration? SCOTUS Would Very Much Beg To Differ - Forbes

    “Congress has specified which aliens may be removed from the United States and the procedures for doing so. Aliens may be removed if they were inadmissible at the time of entry, have been convicted of certain crimes, or meet other criteria set by federal law. Removal is a civil, not criminal, matter. A principal feature of the removal system is the broad discretion exercise by immigration officials (emphasis added). Federal officials, as an initial matter, must decide whether it makes sense to pursue removal at all. If removal proceedings commence, aliens may seek asylum and other discretionary relief allowing them to remain in the country or at least to leave without formal removal."
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