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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    already covered.


    From the NY Times:



    From the Washington Post:



    From Factcheck.Org




    Obama: Halting Deportations "Not an Option" would be "Ignoring the Law"
    Greetings, cpwill.

    So what changed his thinking since 2011? Did he become King somewhere along the way? If so, I guess I missed it! I don't think he would be happy as King anyway - they have pesky Parliaments to deal with!

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I provided you with information that corrects the NCL lie that Reagan and Bush acted unilaterally in regard to inmigration. Would you like to dispute it? Or, are you going to spin off in another direction and tell us how Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath?
    You didn't give me your criteria for when it's ok to change the law via executive order.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    According to who? Obama? I'm thinking this may be another scenario where relies on the stupidity of his base.
    Greetings, apdst.

    I'm waiting to see the long lines of illegals eager to come out of hiding to comply. If they have jobs, they are probably being paid under the table, and get to keep all the money they earn to spend as they please. Why would they want to change that and start paying taxes now? I seriously doubt they fear being deported at this time, so where's the incentive? They aren't American, so that means they aren't stupid, right? :

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    EOs don't rewrite laws. Please stop the hyperbole. There's enough of it.
    Yet that is exactly what Obama did. interesting.
    his job is to uphold existing law.

    EO are to clarify any ambiguity in a law or to clear up any misconception in an existing law.
    EO's cannot change law they cannot add to laws they cannot create new laws.

    we already have an immigration law that is set and does not meet the criteria of an EO.
    there is no ambiguity nor is there any misconception of how the law is to operate.

    Obama just changed immigration law without congressional approval.

    as for the lawsuits they are coming the states are already in the process or will sue in a few days.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    just think about a couple of items....please

    one....what do you tell the people that spent all the time and money and immigrated to this country legally over the last 15-20 years? too bad, so sad?

    do they get a refund?

    now...do you think other people NOT already here will have more of an impetus to come? if he is giving them amnesty, maybe i will get it someday?

    how many of those people will be poor? most? what does that do to already strained local, and state economies?

    immigration is great....my wife is now a citizen, but she emigrated here from Germany.....but it took time and money

    Is the system broken? yeah maybe....so lets fix the LEGAL immigration system, and the visa situation......not open the doors and invite another 10, 15, 20 million people into a country that can barely feed and house the ones that are already here
    Ah yes, the old, "legal immigrants had it very difficult, so let's make sure all immigrants have it just as bad" line. Fascinating to see that that is still a thing.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Yet that is exactly what Obama did. interesting.
    his job is to uphold existing law.
    Hyperbolic statements and nothing more.

    [quite]EO are to clarify any ambiguity in a law or to clear up any misconception in an existing law.
    EO's cannot change law they cannot add to laws they cannot create new laws.[/quote]

    The fact that many EOs can be cited doing far more than that makes the above statement a half truth.

    we already have an immigration law that is set and does not meet the criteria of an EO.
    there is no ambiguity nor is there any misconception of how the law is to operate.
    More subjectivity? I'm shocked.

    Obama just changed immigration law without congressional approval.
    And yet, all congress can do is defund his EO.

    as for the lawsuits they are coming the states are already in the process or will sue in a few days.
    Lol... for what? What SCOTUS has stated is within his power to do? You're silly.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They were refugees. Illegal immigrants aren't refugees. If they were, they wouldn't be illegal immigrants. Do you know what refugee status is?
    Utter bull****. Both Reagan and Clinton made exceptions to the law based on nothing more than politics. Them being refugees makes not an ounce of difference.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I provided you with information that corrects the NCL lie that Reagan and Bush acted unilaterally in regard to inmigration. Would you like to dispute it? Or, are you going to spin off in another direction and tell us how Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath?
    El Wrongo!! Here's 3 EO actions that Ronald Reagan unilaterally took.

    Signed: September 29, 1981 - Executive Order 12324 - Changes to the policy for interdiction of illegal aliens.

    Signed: January 21, 1982 - Executive Order 12341 - Cuban and Haitian entrants.

    Signed: February 2, 1987 - Executive Order 12582 - Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I am no attorney, or law scholar for sure, but I think that there is a big difference between 200,000 sick or disabled people, and just waiving the pen in a constitutional temper tantrum.
    Not really. A supposed change in the law is not excused by people being sick as you claim. If Obama's EOs were illegal, so are the last 50 or so EOs doing the exact same thing.

    Then lay it out...Originally you asked how it was illegal, and I provided a detailed article on exactly how, and you ignored it. Now you are moving to say it is what others did like Reagan, and I showed that was wrong as well...So, I guess now all you can do is attempt to dismiss it by laughing at it....eh that too is a well worn tactic...Won't work...We shall wait and see.
    Conjecture and nothing more.

    That's your opinion...We shall see.
    Want to place a bet? We can do this the gentlemanly way and go straight to the meat and potatoes. If I'm right about the general lack of knowledge Republicans have on this matter - remember: I'm basing my statements on those of Justice Kennedy - you can change your sig to something of my choosing. If you're right - and Obama is found to have overstepped his constitutional authority - I will change my sig. Deal?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, first being offensive while decrying partisanship is absurdly laughable. Second, What Reagan did with his EO, and Obama did are two totally different things, unless you want to say that both contain deception by democrats toward the American people.
    You do realize they both created exception to the law, right?
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