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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They have that now; obey the law and apply for entry from one's country of origin (current citizenship). To assert, as Obama does, the we, the nasty US citizens, have somehow made (forced) these illegal aliens to break the law is nonsense. They entered, or remained, in the US illegally all on their own placing their own children in that situation along with themselves UNLIKE those that did not and await their chance to enter legally.

    To assert that forgiveness of illegals from 5 years ago (and further back) does not harm those illegals from 4 years, 11 months and 300 days back, much less those that remain on a waiting list for that long is extremely dishonest. This is simply a toe in the water test for Obama; if its okey dokey to let 4 or 5 million get amnesty (permission to have entered legally) then why not every one of them? What ever happened to equal protection of the law? What of sterile (or gay) illegals that, by no fault of their own, have not been able to produce (anchor baby) offspring are caught?
    No one has gotten amnesty. We are simply choosing to not deport them today. That may seem like splitting hairs to you but it isn't. The next POTUS can start deporting people the day after he's sworn in.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Defund ICE? Isn't that just effectively granting amnesty to everyone since nobody would be enforcing any of it?
    I never said anything about defunding ICE. Are you that desperate?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    How? Work permits? Not even close. They are still illegals. He's simply choosing not to deport them today. He could his mind tomorrow. He's simply exercising prosecutorial discretion and no one seriously argues that he doesn't have that power as head of the executive branch. Further the President has broad statutory
    authority completely separate from his prosecutorial discretion to not deport people and to allow the issuance of work permits.
    No, he doesn't and there's no precedent for this illegal action.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No one has gotten amnesty. We are simply choosing to not deport them today. That may seem like splitting hairs to you but it isn't. The next POTUS can start deporting people the day after he's sworn in.
    That may be your take on the matter, but that is not Obama's take on the matter. The law of the land is not that one can legally hire those that are not now selected for deportation by ICE; they are unable to legally hire those without legal immigration status - which is not the same thing. What that requires is an EAD card which is good for two years from its date of issue. How all of that can be done for 4 to 5 million folks with "current resources" has not been explained. Clearly that requires lots of federal manpower that is supposed to be doing other things per current congressional funding.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They have that now; obey the law and apply for entry from one's country of origin (current citizenship). To assert, as Obama does, the we, the nasty US citizens, have somehow made (forced) these illegal aliens to break the law is nonsense. They entered, or remained, in the US illegally all on their own placing their own children in that situation along with themselves UNLIKE those that did not and await their chance to enter legally.

    To assert that forgiveness of illegals from 5 years ago (and further back) does not harm those illegals from 4 years, 11 months and 300 days back, much less those that remain on a waiting list for that long is extremely dishonest. This is simply a toe in the water test for Obama; if its okey dokey to let 4 or 5 million get amnesty (permission to have entered legally) then why not every one of them? What ever happened to equal protection of the law? What of sterile (or gay) illegals that, by no fault of their own, have not been able to produce (anchor baby) offspring are caught?
    Greetings, ttwtt78640.

    That time period puzzled me also. One would have thought that those that have been here for less than five years would be the first group selected. It is interesting, though, that the five-year and older period is the one that will exempt over 147,000 unaccompanied children. Those children have to be fed, clothed and schooled and otherwise taken care of, which costs us lots of money that isn't being reimbursed by their home countries. hmmmm......

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, ttwtt78640.

    That time period puzzled me also. One would have thought that those that have been here for less than five years would be the first group selected. It is interesting, though, that the five-year and older period is the one that will exempt over 147,000 unaccompanied children. Those children have to be fed, clothed and schooled and otherwise taken care of, which costs us lots of money that isn't being reimbursed by their home countries. hmmmm......
    Not enough time to settle in, learn English and make anchor babies yet? The problem with less than five years is that yesterday also qualifies so Obama has to ease us into that level of compassion.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    I see a lot of folks saying that Congress could de-fund this EO. It doesn't depend on federal funding, it's funded by fees.

    Although some some
    Not entirely. Rogers is wrong.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The house cannot defund an agency that they never appropriated funds to.


    USCIS obtains over 80% of its funding from fee revenue. After consistently declining from
    FY2003 to FY2008, the portion of USCIS’s budget from appropriations increased consistently for
    fiscal years 2009, 2010, and 2011. In its FY2011 budget, the agency has requested additional
    funds to defray the cost of military naturalizations and refugee and asylee applications, thereby
    shifting this cost from immigration service applicants to U.S. taxpayers. Although the agency has
    been appropriated several hundred million dollars in the past decade,
    these appropriations have
    largely been directed toward specific projects, such as the backlog reduction initiative.
    Consequently, USCIS fee revenue must cover overhead and adjudication costs for the agency to
    operate efficiently.

    http://www.ilw.com/immigrationdaily/...1,0421-crs.pdf

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes, it matters. It's germane to the debate. Either oost the information, or admit that you're wrong about the whole mess.
    Interesting.

    So, perhaps you should first explain your criteria for deciding a "good reason" to violate the constitution and a "bad reason" to violate the constitution.

    That way, you can't make up the reason after the fact in a manner that conveniently makes Obama Bad and Republicans Good.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not enough time to settle in, learn English and make anchor babies yet? The problem with less than five years is that yesterday also qualifies so Obama has to ease us into that level of compassion.
    If he's the one that defines "compassion," then I'll pass. Most of us do not base what we do on a political agenda, but give to charities and other organizations that actually help people instead. There was a deal made with somebody, or they would not have placed ads six months earlier for "chaperones" for those unattended children. Why do this to children, especially young ones?

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