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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Again. How? You need to support that statement.
    He's modifying the visa process. He doesn't have that authority.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    I see a lot of folks saying that Congress could de-fund this EO. It doesn't depend on federal funding, it's funded by fees.

    Although some some

    "The primary agency for implementing the President's new immigration executive order is the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS),” said House Appropriations Committee chairman Hal Rogers in a statement Thursday. “This agency is entirely self-funded through the fees it collects on various immigration applications. Congress does not appropriate funds for any of its operations, including the issuance of immigration status or work permits, with the exception of the "E-Verify" program. Therefore, the Appropriations process cannot be used to "de-fund" the agency.

    Could Republicans 'Defund' Obama's Immigration Order? - NBC News
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    I see a lot of folks saying that Congress could de-fund this EO. It doesn't depend on federal funding, it's funded by fees.

    Although some some
    A government agency that is totally self funded? There's no such thing.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A government agency that is totally self funded? There's no such thing.
    The house cannot defund an agency that they never appropriated funds to.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who, how many and on what grounds? Be specific.
    Does that matter? I thought it was an impeachable offense to go beyond what congress authorized, for any reason.

    Are there some circumstances in which "changing the law" is acceptable and others in which it is not? Can you give me your criteria for that?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A government agency that is totally self funded? There's no such thing.
    Defund ICE? Isn't that just effectively granting amnesty to everyone since nobody would be enforcing any of it?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Does that matter? I thought it was an impeachable offense to go beyond what congress authorized, for any reason.

    Are there some circumstances in which "changing the law" is acceptable and others in which it is not? Can you give me your criteria for that?
    Yes, it matters. It's germane to the debate. Either oost the information, or admit that you're wrong about the whole mess.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm sure if Reagan were alive today, he would be saying "Fool me once......."
    Contrast that with what the current President and a Democrat Party keep saying........ " You're all fools "
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And yet... that's pretty much what will end up happening. Republicans don't have the supermajority required to get one of their bills to the president without him threatening to veto. So, if Democrats play their cards right, they can get Republicans to play nice like they were before the election and live up to their ideas of giving illegal immigrants a way to get right with the law.
    They have that now; obey the law and apply for entry from one's country of origin (current citizenship). To assert, as Obama does, the we, the nasty US citizens, have somehow made (forced) these illegal aliens to break the law is nonsense. They entered, or remained, in the US illegally all on their own placing their own children in that situation along with themselves UNLIKE those that did not and await their chance to enter legally.

    To assert that forgiveness of illegals from 5 years ago (and further back) does not harm those illegals from 4 years, 11 months and 300 days back, much less those that remain on a waiting list for that long is extremely dishonest. This is simply a toe in the water test for Obama; if its okey dokey to let 4 or 5 million get amnesty (permission to have entered legally) then why not every one of them? What ever happened to equal protection of the law? What of sterile (or gay) illegals that, by no fault of their own, have not been able to produce (anchor baby) offspring are caught?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's modifying the visa process. He doesn't have that authority.
    How? Work permits? Not even close. They are still illegals. He's simply choosing not to deport them today. He could his mind tomorrow. He's simply exercising prosecutorial discretion and no one seriously argues that he doesn't have that power as head of the executive branch. Further the President has broad statutory
    authority completely separate from his prosecutorial discretion to not deport people and to allow the issuance of work permits.
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