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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The partisanship is too strong for them. There are so many Republicans with Reagan's decrepit dick so far down their throats, they're actively claiming that two presidents who did the exact same thing are not doing the exact same thing.
    Ok, first being offensive while decrying partisanship is absurdly laughable. Second, What Reagan did with his EO, and Obama did are two totally different things, unless you want to say that both contain deception by democrats toward the American people.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He rescinded their deportation orders. Lol. Are you kidding?



    He created an exception within the law. That's exactly what Obama just did. Are you even serious about this?



    There won't be any.
    An exception within the law? That's a violation of The Equal Protection Clause.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show one example of any of those executive orders altering the law.
    1. Obama's order didn't alter the law. It created an exception.
    2. Those EOs are exceptions to existing laws.
    3. If Obama's EO changed the law, SO DID THE PREVIOUS EOs THAT DID THE SAME THING AND CONGRESS DID NOTHING.

    In short, anyway you want to play this, Congress loses:

    1. It has demonstrated 50 times that the president can create exceptions to existing law.
    2. It has remained silent 50 times on similar EOs by Republican presidents.
    3. All it can threaten is to defund this EO.

    You know, I'm starting to think you're really ignorant of what you're discussing.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course he's changing the law.
    Again. How? You need to support that statement.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He changes the lawful standards that allow immigrants to stay in the country, by changing the visa process.
    And Reagan allowed people to stay in the country who'd never been authorized by Congress to do so.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    An exception within the law? That's a violation of The Equal Protection Clause.
    Lmao, yeah - tell that to the Cubans and Haitians in Miami. Again, you can keep making up the violations as they come - however, there are 50 years of EOs by Republican POTUS that say different. I'll wait for the lawsuits, if there are any.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He rescinded their deportation orders. Lol. Are you kidding?
    Well, I am no attorney, or law scholar for sure, but I think that there is a big difference between 200,000 sick or disabled people, and just waiving the pen in a constitutional temper tantrum.

    He created an exception within the law. That's exactly what Obama just did. Are you even serious about this?
    Then lay it out...Originally you asked how it was illegal, and I provided a detailed article on exactly how, and you ignored it. Now you are moving to say it is what others did like Reagan, and I showed that was wrong as well...So, I guess now all you can do is attempt to dismiss it by laughing at it....eh that too is a well worn tactic...Won't work...We shall wait and see.

    There won't be any.
    That's your opinion...We shall see.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by timslash View Post
    Obama Announces Sweeping Changes to Immigration Policy - NBC News


    Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million - The Washington Post

    Well, our dear Mr. President still going his own way, which only he can understand.



    He also said that majority of Americans supports immigration policy. WHAT?! Hmm, when the "majority" become "7 states"?

    Also, Fed announced an end to Quantitative Easing BO increased the labor force for low wage jobs by 8%.
    And i think 5 mln immigrants will provoke decreasing again! 5 mln of low-qualified workers will also provoke sad situation not only with workplaces!

    Well, let's wait and see!
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    I was looking for an English translation of this, without success, so I am forced to comment on what I think it says. From what I am able to decipher the OP believes Obama has done something outrageous. The reality (and I realize too many people aren't comfortable there) is that has done nothing more than articulate executive policy, in the absence of comprehensive immigration reform. The door is wide open for Congress actually put together comprehensive immigration reform. Unfortunately, the Cons will once again feign outrage about the process and turn their back on the substance.

    I am not sure what quantative easing has to do with anything here or what 5 million low qualified workers are all about (again, I could not find a good translation of the OP). We are taking about enforcement of immigration laws against people that are already here, many of whom are incredibly well qualified (you do realize that a substantial portion of illegals did not cross the border, but flew into JFK on student or work visa and just overstayed their welcome?)
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, yeah - tell that to the Cubans and Haitians in Miami. Again, you can keep making up the violations as they come - however, there are 50 years of EOs by Republican POTUS that say different. I'll wait for the lawsuits, if there are any.
    They were refugees. Illegal immigrants aren't refugees. If they were, they wouldn't be illegal immigrants. Do you know what refugee status is?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And Reagan allowed people to stay in the country who'd never been authorized by Congress to do so.
    Who, how many and on what grounds? Be specific.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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