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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

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    Black Activists Speak Out against Obama Amnesty*Agenda - Amy Ridenour's National Center Blog - A Conservative Blog

    I love this. Here's where libs pile on top of conservative blacks calling them Uncle Toms or other things. Watch.
    Misread the title of the link.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Seems he is doing his job. Just like these guys:





    So Obama is putting out an executive order, identical in value to the 18 or so pushed by Republican presidents. Were those EOs illegal? As I said, I WILL WAIT FOR THE LAWSUITS.
    Show one example of any of those executive orders altering the law.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

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    Tye only thing more ironic than black nationalists
    Why is that ironic?

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In 1987, President Reagan rescinded the deportation orders of 200K Nicaraguans through executive order:

    U.S. May Let Some Illegals Stay If Relatives Qualify for Amnesty - NYTimes.com
    This first one was essentially tweaking the underlying legislation that was passed by congress, and signed by him, and for a relatively small amount of people with special circumstances...Nothing like what Obama did last night.

    And then changed government policy for non-citizens who'd fought in the Grenada campaign:

    Executive Order 12582
    Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign
    Again, not even close to the same thing...The EO reads in part:

    "For the purpose of determining qualification for the exceptions from the usual requirements for naturalization, the period of Grenada military operations in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force commenced on October 25, 1983, and terminated on November 2, 1983. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during this period, in the Grenada campaign, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exceptions to the naturalization requirements, as provided in Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code."

    So, how many of the 5 million served in the military during the use against a hostile force? You're reaching here.

    As I said, I'll wait until the court cases. However, I doubt Republicans will do more than bark and then just opt to defund Obama's EO and pass a bipartisan bill.
    As will I, wait for the cases that is. However, the Congress should absolutely refuse to fund anything associated with implementing this bull crap...
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show one example of any of those executive orders altering the law.
    Does Obama's executive order change the law?

    Reagan literally altered the criteria for deportation to include families that Congress didn't authorize.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This first one was essentially tweaking the underlying legislation that was passed by congress, and signed by him, and for a relatively small amount of people with special circumstances...Nothing like what Obama did last night.
    He rescinded their deportation orders. Lol. Are you kidding?

    Again, not even close to the same thing...The EO reads in part:

    "For the purpose of determining qualification for the exceptions from the usual requirements for naturalization, the period of Grenada military operations in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force commenced on October 25, 1983, and terminated on November 2, 1983. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during this period, in the Grenada campaign, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exceptions to the naturalization requirements, as provided in Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code."

    So, how many of the 5 million served in the military during the use against a hostile force? You're reaching here.
    He created an exception within the law. That's exactly what Obama just did. Are you even serious about this?

    As will I, wait for the cases that is. However, the Congress should absolutely refuse to fund anything associated with implementing this bull crap...
    There won't be any.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Does Obama's executive order change the law?

    Reagan literally altered the criteria for deportation to include families that Congress didn't authorize.
    The partisanship is too strong for them. There are so many Republicans with Reagan's decrepit dick so far down their throats, they're actively claiming that two presidents who did the exact same thing are not doing the exact same thing.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Does Obama's executive order change the law?

    Reagan literally altered the criteria for deportation to include families that Congress didn't authorize.
    Reagan used the EO process exactly the way it should have been used...There was a law that was passed by Congress, and he signed. Then when gaps in that law were identified, he used the EO to fix the gaps in the spirit of the law he just signed...That's the point...Obama is doing this without an underlying law to tie it to....So, the answer to your first question is no, because there is no law that was passed, which makes this a dictate, not a true EO.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Reagan used the EO process exactly the way it should have been used...There was a law that was passed by Congress, and he signed. Then when gaps in that law were identified, he used the EO to fix the gaps in the spirit of the law he just signed...That's the point...Obama is doing this without an underlying law to tie it to....So, the answer to your first question is no, because there is no law that was passed, which makes this a dictate, not a true EO.
    He's tying it to existing laws, you just don't want that to be the case. The recency of the law is irrelevant.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Does Obama's executive order change the law?
    He changes the lawful standards that allow immigrants to stay in the country, by changing the visa process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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