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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol. It has everything to do with it. You do realize that politics don't work in the vacuum you think they do?



    That's right, simplify this to an anecdotal story. The president isn't Congress' kid and this is far more complex than climbing a counter. Moving on.
    I'm making fun of the precedent argument of yours with the little story and even the example I used before that. It's just a stupid argument that basically says "I did it once, so I didn't break the rules". When the fact of the matter is the rules are still as they were in this situation as they were more than a 100 years ago. Allowing the little kiddies to break the rules doesn't change the rules. You're doing nothing but using the argument of a small child that broke the rules.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm making fun of the precedent argument of yours with the little story and even the example I used before that.
    An example which is irrelevant to the point being made? Got it.

    It's just a stupid argument that basically says "I did it once, so I didn't break the rules". When the fact of the matter is the rules are still as they were in this situation as they were more than a 100 years ago. Allowing the little kiddies to break the rules doesn't change the rules. You're doing nothing but using the argument of a small child that broke the rules.
    It's a stupid argument to argue that there is precedent for this (both recent and historical) and as such Congress will have a hard time arguing it is illegal. Got it. Do you know how this country works?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    An example which is irrelevant to the point being made? Got it.



    It's a stupid argument to argue that there is precedent for this (both recent and historical) and as such Congress will have a hard time arguing it is illegal. Got it. Do you know how this country works?
    Actually, I know exactly how the courts work and they use the argument of a small child too. I don't care that you got away with breaking the rules in the past and neither does the rules.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ultimately what this comes down to is the fact that Obama has slightly reduced the amount of power that white Americans hold over brown people. And that terrifies many of them. Rattles them to their core. The frothy, borderline-lunatic responses we have seen, including some right here on DP, are strong evidence of that.

    But go ahead, conservative whites. Go ahead and see what your blatant racism does to the votes of the fastest growing minority in America. At the rate you're going, you'll be lucky to win Georgia's electoral votes by the year 2020.


    just think about a couple of items....please

    one....what do you tell the people that spent all the time and money and immigrated to this country legally over the last 15-20 years? too bad, so sad?

    do they get a refund?

    now...do you think other people NOT already here will have more of an impetus to come? if he is giving them amnesty, maybe i will get it someday?

    how many of those people will be poor? most? what does that do to already strained local, and state economies?

    immigration is great....my wife is now a citizen, but she emigrated here from Germany.....but it took time and money

    Is the system broken? yeah maybe....so lets fix the LEGAL immigration system, and the visa situation......not open the doors and invite another 10, 15, 20 million people into a country that can barely feed and house the ones that are already here
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is false. Enforcement of the law is clearly laid out in the law, which is why Obama himself has said for years that taking the action that he did would be illegal.
    Using this logic, if a policeman didn't stop everyone breaking the speed limit he would be violating his oath. He has no right to allow 3 or 5 mph over the limit and only stop those excessive speeders.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually, I know exactly how the courts work and they use the argument of a small child too.
    I don't know why you corner yourself into such arguments. Questioning why possession of child porn is illegal, arguing against the professional suspentions of child abusers, questioning why our system works the way it does. These things don't make you look like you have something relevant to add to the discussion. They simply make you look ignorant of how the world works.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't know why you corner yourself into such arguments. Questioning why possession of child porn is illegal, arguing against the professional suspentions of child abusers, questioning why our system works the way it does. These things don't make you look like you have something relevant to add to the discussion. They simply make you look ignorant of how the world works.
    Think about it for minute. The court is essentially one of the little kiddies that are to follow the rules, but what do we allow them to do? Well, we allow them to interpret the rules. So basically, the kids are telling the adults what the rules imposed on the kids say. It's pretty stupid really. Oh right, it's one set of kids that are interpreting rules imposed on all the other kids. That makes it better.

    What makes it better is that these kids break the rules and use more or less the classic excuse of "I did it yesterday".

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yup. Given that it will be unreformed entitlements that cause it to become so.
    Except you just said that entitlements would be "reformed." It doesn't seem like you know whether you're coming or going.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Precedent for the legality of that EO has been established by EOs of at least 5 different Republican Presidents.

    That's your opinion...We shall have to wait and see if that is indeed the case...I suspect no.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Think about it for minute. The court is essentially one of the little kiddies that are to follow the rules, but what do we allow them to do? Well, we allow them to interpret the rules. So basically, the kids are telling the adults what the rules imposed on the kids say. It's pretty stupid really. Oh right, it's one set of kids that are interpreting rules imposed on all the other kids. That makes it better.

    What makes it better is that these kids break the rules and use more or less the classic excuse of "I did it yesterday".
    And you have no idea how to resolve the issue, any more than you have any idea of how to run a nation without levying taxes.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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