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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

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    Are you engaging in race baiting out of desperation? I'm shocked, I tells ya.
    No, pointing out leftwing hypocrisy.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So that is going to be Obama's out? That other people did it and got away with it? I guess he really is five years old.
    Alright, walk with me here. Congress has allowed this to happen for 50+ years and has never brought up a single legal challenge. Today, Obama decides he'll get a similar EO and Congress' response is that they will defund it. In short, Obama is doing what presidents have been doing and Congress is doing what it can do. Nothing at all has changed and to suggest otherwise is hyperbole. As I've stated, if there is anything illegal about it - I'll wait for the lawsuits.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

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    No problem, I'm having a steak dinner tonight with a friend and won't give this **** a second thought.
    What's that saying? Dogs that bark, don't bite?
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Alright, walk with me here. Congress has allowed this to happen for 50+ years and has never brought up a single legal challenge. Today, Obama decides he'll get a similar EO and Congress' response is that they will defund it. In short, Obama is doing what presidents have been doing and Congress is doing what it can do. Nothing at all has changed and to suggest otherwise is hyperbole. As I've stated, if there is anything illegal about it - I'll wait for the lawsuits.
    No, you need to walk with me. What they allowed in the past has nothing to do with what they will allow today. If I let my kid climb the counter today I have no obligation to let him climb the counter tomorrow. He better know this. It's against the rules for him to climb the counter today and it will be against the rules for him to climb the counter tomorrow. What I allow and what I don't doesn't change the rules.

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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, you need to walk with me. What they allowed in the past has nothing to do with what they will allow today.
    Lol. It has everything to do with it. You do realize that politics don't work in the vacuum you think they do?

    If I let my kid climb the counter today I have no obligation to let him climb the counter tomorrow. He better know this. It's against the rules for him to climb the counter today and it will be against the rules for him to climb the counter tomorrow. What I allow and what I don't doesn't change the rules.
    That's right, simplify this to an anecdotal story. The president isn't Congress' kid and this is far more complex than climbing a counter. Moving on.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Has the EO stopped deportations? It hasn't.
    "The centerpiece of the president’s announcement is a new program for unauthorized immigrants who are the parents of United States citizens. About four million people will be eligible for a new legal status that would defer their deportations and allow them to work legally. They must pass background checks and pay taxes, but they will receive Social Security cards, officials said.


    To those people, Mr. Obama said, “You can come out of the shadows.”

    An additional one million people will have some protection from deportation through other parts of the president’s plan."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us...eech.html?_r=0

    Sounds like for those 5 million it has...
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    EOs don't rewrite laws. Please stop the hyperbole. There's enough of it.
    Most executive orders have full force and effect of law and many have been upheld by the courts when challenged. So you tell me how a President who throws out the existing law and states he will not enforce it and replaces it with his own dictates is not rewriting the law.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The president isn't Congress' kid and this is far more complex than climbing a counter. Moving on.
    And the President isn't the Congresses daddy either...He doesn't get to say 'because you won't do what I want you to do, I will do it and dare you to then do something." That is completely backwards on how this country is supposed to work.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Most executive orders have full force and effect of law and many have been upheld by the courts when challenged. So you tell me how a President who throws out the existing law and states he will not enforce it and replaces it with his own dictates is no rewriting the law.
    He didn't throw out the law either. Please stop the hyperbole. Obama did what presidents have had the authority to do. Don't like it? Take it up with 50+ years of similar EOs.
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    Re: Obama acts on immigration, announcing decision to defer deportations of 4 million

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "The centerpiece of the president’s announcement is a new program for unauthorized immigrants who are the parents of United States citizens. About four million people will be eligible for a new legal status that would defer their deportations and allow them to work legally. They must pass background checks and pay taxes, but they will receive Social Security cards, officials said.


    To those people, Mr. Obama said, “You can come out of the shadows.”

    An additional one million people will have some protection from deportation through other parts of the president’s plan."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us...eech.html?_r=0

    Sounds like for those 5 million it has...
    Precedent for the legality of that EO has been established by EOs of at least 5 different Republican Presidents.
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